9mm 147 Gr JHP supposedly Unsat?
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July 9th, 2007 08:07 PM
I have seen some photos of Gold Dot 147s taken out of people our officers shot. The people didn't shoot back and the bullets looked just like the expanded ones in the Gold Dot ads. Note: all bullets were properly placed to start with, so none of that matters.
July 10th, 2007 01:19 PM
I'll stick with 147gr remington gold sabers that I use right now.I'll try
something different when it's time to cycle out my ammo but I am
sticking with 147 grain as I like heavy and slow.
July 10th, 2007 01:31 PM
The 147 of today is not your dad's 147 , Its a whole nother critter from the 147 of the 80s and 90s which were basicly a slow ball ... ie a 9mm at near .45 acp speed . They did not work out well for a lot of reasons , and both in the gun culture , and on the internet both good and bad info seems to live foreaver without update . I went from 115s to 124s myself , but i would not worry if all i could get was 147s , i just would run a mag or two thro to establish feed , and point of aim/point of impact out to 50 yards or so .
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July 11th, 2007 04:56 AM
Doc's right,...... there were definatly early problems with the 147's. The 9mm or parabellum was designed for SMG's way back when. The 147's were designed for SEAL team use in suppressed SMG's for use against sentries and dog's. They were designed to be subsonic, hence quiet from a silenced weapon as well as accurate. Having said that, the 147 grain 9mm's have come a long way in just the last 5 years in as far as their lethality. However, it is my humble opinion that one is better served with either the 115 or 124 grain rounds in Plus P or Plus P plus configuration.
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
July 11th, 2007 09:23 AM
Yep! The 147 gr HP was developed to get velocities down to subsonic levels. The HP bullets were designed for accuracy, not expansion.
Originally Posted by retiredswine
Bullet design is a "work in progress" and as such terminal performance is improving all the time. However, my concern with a 147 is overpenetration. If it is absolutely unavoidable, I can live with the idea of taking a life to preserve my own, but I do not believe that I could cope with killing an innocent bystander...
FWIW, RA9TA 127gr +P+ offers great performance with minimal overpenetration risk.
July 11th, 2007 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by Gary Brommeland
I thought this too, until I read a study done where the smaller rounds penetrated deeper than the 147's(when penetrating 4 layers of denim). This apparantly due to the shallower expansion cavities in the 124's would fill in with material and not expand. The 147's had more consistent expansion and penetration when comparing bare gelatin to gelatin covered with 4 layers of denim.
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July 25th, 2011 02:00 PM
The wound profile of the 147's is generally deeper and more narrow than the lighter weight bullets. I guess if you need to shoot really big people then heavy weights are teh definitive choice!
July 25th, 2011 02:58 PM
Shoot people in the heart, brain or spine and X grain Y cal pistol ammo works fine.
Fail to do that, it doesn't.
You want more stopping power? It's called "marksmanship under stress".
You want something that works every time? Tough, because nothing is for sure. People have survived being hit with multiple centerfire rifle rounds in the 30 cal range, killed the people who shot them and lived to tell about it.
We call those people "Heros" and "Medal of Honor recipients"...as well as human cockroaches, junkies and other unpleasant things.
Destroy the central nervous system and cause massive blood loss.
Doesn't matter if it's with 115 grain DPX or 147 grain Mark 1, Mod 0, 1st generation circa 1981 Ho-Lo Point ammo - it's going to do the job if you do.
Of course, you can always try to rely on magic ammo instead of marksmanship, but if that's the case, contact the local Tremere Chantry and ask the Regent to perform the ritual to curse your bullets and doom your opponent as you deem fit.
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July 25th, 2011 03:11 PM
I wouldn't want to get shot by one.... that in itself is a good self defense round to me.
July 25th, 2011 03:48 PM
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