Anyone know how much these two guns are worth?

Anyone know how much these two guns are worth?

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    Anyone know how much these two guns are worth?

    These two pistols belong to my father-in-law. They were passed down to him from his grandfather. Both pistols are in near mint condition, with minor surface scuffs. I could barely tell they had ever been fired. I doubt they have had 50 rounds through them. Here they are:

    First one is a S&W Model 18, Manufactured in April 15, 1955.


    This one has an oil film over it from me wiping it down.


    The second one is a Ruger "Super Blackhawk" .44 Magnum, Manufactured in 1973.





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    The Smith will IMO be the more valuable ....... and is the K22 - quite desirable. If in good shape, let's say 98% then could be (my opinion only) worth around $450 to $500.

    The SBH - not so valuable I feel ..... as it is already shown as the ''Super'' Blackhawk - this must be perhaps one of the earliest ones tho forget when the Blackhawk became the ''Super''. I am thinking that gun in good shape is maybe around $300 to $350.

    This is purely my own 2c and could well be way off base!
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    Well, I had the same SBH a few years ago, except mine was in .41 caliber.
    It was given to me in a trade, but since I dont like revolvers I sold it.
    I remember getting $325 for it. Now, it did have a small gouge in the finish f the barrel from the prior owner.

    Not sure if that helps or not.

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    By the way, I WILL make time to get to one of your IDPA meets before the summers out! Sorry man, Ive been busy sine I moved here.
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    Where did you get the date of manufacture for the S&W? If it's a Model 18 (no dash number), it was made between 1957 and 1959. (S&W began stamping model numbers on their guns in 1957). If it was made in 1955, there should be no model number stamped on the frame.

    The Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, 3rd edition, lists the value as: (For a Model 18 & so stamped).

    NIB: $475.00
    Exc: $425.00
    VG: $350.00
    Good: $250.00
    Fair: $185.00
    Poor: $100.00

    Nickle finish, add 50-75%

    Deduct 20% for the non-factory stocks.

    The Ruger is a "New Model" SBH, so I think Chris's prices are about right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig229 View Post
    P95Carry:
    By the way, I WILL make time to get to one of your IDPA meets before the summers out! Sorry man, Ive been busy sine I moved here.
    There is a steel shoot next Saturday but I can't make it .. and then, altho I am not quite sure if date correct - a scheduled night shoot Sept 18 (a Tuesday). Starts 7.30pm. Lot of fun that and will hope to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    Where did you get the date of manufacture for the S&W? If it's a Model 18 (no dash number), it was made between 1957 and 1959. (S&W began stamping model numbers on their guns in 1957). If it was made in 1955, there should be no model number stamped on the frame.

    The Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, 3rd edition, lists the value as: (For a Model 18 & so stamped).

    NIB: $475.00
    Exc: $425.00
    VG: $350.00
    Good: $250.00
    Fair: $185.00
    Poor: $100.00

    Nickle finish, add 50-75%

    Deduct 20% for the non-factory stocks.

    The Ruger is a "New Model" SBH, so I think Chris's prices are about right.
    I have the original box, the date is printed inside the box. There is no model # stamped on the gun itself, just SN.

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    Having the orignal boxes might add to the value. Check aorund on gunbroker.com and see what like guns are actually selling for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry View Post
    The Smith will IMO be the more valuable ....... and is the K22 - quite desirable. If in good shape, let's say 98% then could be (my opinion only) worth around $450 to $500.

    The SBH - not so valuable I feel ..... as it is already shown as the ''Super'' Blackhawk - this must be perhaps one of the earliest ones tho forget when the Blackhawk became the ''Super''. I am thinking that gun in good shape is maybe around $300 to $350.

    This is purely my own 2c and could well be way off base!
    I saw one today at a local gun for $450.00, good shape.

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    Something about the model 18 looks different. Open the cylinder and look at the number stamped on the frame where the cylinder yoke recess is.

    The S&W gun doesn't have the original grips which will distract from the price.
    Last edited by Beans; August 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 PM. Reason: spelling error

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beans View Post
    Something about the model 18 looks different. Open the cylinder and look at the number stamped on the frame where the cylinder yoke recess is.

    The S&W gun doesn't have the original grips which will distract from the price.



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    OK, then this is definitely a "pre-Model 18", made before 1957. The parts list for the Model 18 threw me off.

    All S&W K frame revolvers (which this example is) produced since 1946 must have the letter "K" as a prefix in their serial numbers. The numbers shown in the photos are assembly numbers, not the serial number. The SN should be stamped on the bottom of the grip frame.

    For the value, increase the NIB price by $50.00, all other values remain essentially the same.

    Again, the value is depreciated by about 20% for the non-factory stocks.


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    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

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    Are the trigger and hammer nickle plated as well, S&W did not nickle plate them, it looks like an aftermarket nickle job and that will reduce the value by as much as 1/2.
    The number on the bottom of the barrel and the rear of the cylinder should match the number on the bottom of the grip frame.


    the SBH is worth about $350 to$400 around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Williams View Post
    The number on the bottom of the barrel and the rear of the cylinder should match the number on the bottom of the grip frame.
    Agreed. Forgot to mention that. Probably the last 4 digits of the SN.

    The number 22843 is an assembly number.


    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

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    Take the grips off the Smith and see if anything is stamped on the sides of the grip straps. A star and a two digit date would mean that it has been back to the factory for service, possibly for nickel plating. Also look for a diamond with either a B or an N inside, either on the frame or the flat on the bottom of the barrel. This denotes the original finish.
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    The original magna grips would be worth 200-250 alone for this gun. If they were also numbered to the gun, add some more value [ $ ] to the price.

    I don't believe this model came from the factory nickeled. It may have gone back, but the rich deep blue S+W used on these is desireable to collectors.

    The nickel would have to be lettered by Jinx at S+W for it to have value above and beyond the standard blued models. I own several of these pistols, a few K22 combat masterpieces and a few model 18's.

    They are well made, handfitted at that time by real craftsman at S+W's plant. The tolerances are so tight on these that if there is ANY end shake on the gun, it will bind. Most tolerances at the forcing cone were no more than 2/1000's standard.

    I believe the box would be gold in color back then. Does the serial number on the box match the gun ?

    I shoot ariels [ baseballs and golfballs ] with one of them. The rest sit in the safe.

    Here's the OP's model
    Masterpiece model18
    year introduced 1949
    Year discontinued 1986
    S+W frame size KT
    caliber 22 LR
    name K-22 Combat

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