Gun History Buffs...WWII-era find

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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperKnight View Post
    Sorry, nothing in the Official Guide to Gunmarks. I'll keep looking through some other references. No other marks on the gun?
    I've been thinking about that emblem or logo on the left grip panel. It may be a personalized monogram for somebody with the initials "SAS". Could explain why it's not listed in the Guide.


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    Bizarre!!

    It's a GAS pistol...and worse, it's an ASS pistol...the grip logo is "August Schuler in Suhl"-- A.S.S.
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    [Thanks to Jim Mahaffey for finding this equipment.]

    The original owner was with TSD, and reportedly said that it was an ‘assassination weapon’ acquired from the Nazis, although this is thought to be unlikely, since it has been found to be a mass-produced model.

    The maker is "August Schuler in Suhl". The logo on the grips is a stylized "ASS". This maker is known primarily for sporting firearms from about 100 years ago.

    This model is described in "The German Encyclopedia of Firearms" (translated) as follows:
    "Starting and teargas pistol, by August Schuler in Suhl. Selfloading pocket-pistol, for a completely rimless cartridge. The pistol has neither chamber nor extractor. Ejecting the spent case takes place via gas pressure. Usable as a starting pistol with color cartridges or with gas cartridges as a self-protection weapon. Before 1939 built in two versions - 6 or 10 shots. Length 100mm. Weight 270 grams."

    Following is a description of the pistol from a friend in Germany, with an English translation. Many thanks to Reinhard Brusdeylins for this information, and the translation:

    Hier handelt es sich um die so genannte "Lacrimae-Pistole". Im AKAH-Katalog von 1939 ist die Pistole abgebildet. Hersteller war wahrscheinlich nicht die Firma August Sch�ler in Suhl, sondern lediglich der Vertreiber. ASS steht �brigens f�r August Schuler Suhl. Die „Lacrimae“-Pistole war f�r eine Spezialpatrone eingerichtet, andere Patronen passen nicht! Diese Patronen sind noch bis in die 1950er-Jahre in Katalogen zu finden, die Waffe selbst nicht mehr. Die Lacrimae-Pistole wird geladen, indem man die Patronen von oben ins Magazin dr�ckt. Zugef�hrt wird sie durch eine Feder, die im Magazin von unten gegen die Patrone dr�ckt. Die Patronen werden durch den Gasdruck seitlich ausgeworfen. Hier handelt es sich um die so genannte "Lacrimae-Pistole".

    This is a so-called "Lacrimae pistol" [‘Lacrimae’ meaning ‘tear gas’]. In the AKAH Catalogue from 1939 there is a picture of this pistol. Company August Schuler is assumed to be not the manufacturer, but only the distributor. “ASS” stands for August Schuler Suhl. The Lacrimae was made for a special cartridge, other cartridges won’t fit. The cartridges were in the catalogs in the 50’s, the weapon itself not any more. The Lacrimae pistol is loaded by pushing the cartridges from the top into the magazine. The cartridges are loaded [into the chamber area] by a spring in the magazine below the cartridges. The cartridges are ejected to the side by gas pressure.

    It appears that the cartridge for it would be very close to .25 caliber, and the overall length about 1 inch.
    I'm guessing this one is a 6-shot version. The action is interesting: pulling the trigger causes the slide to move back. If you pull the trigger far enough, the slide is released and slams forward (rather hard!). The firing pin is *fixed* to the inside of the rear of the slide. There is a 'port' carved into the left side of the inside of the bore, where it would meet the front edge of the cartridge - I suspect this is the ejection mechanism (gas pressure would push the case out sideways to the right). The magazine is fixed in the grip – the pistol loads thru the ejection port at the top. There is a spring-loaded magazine follower. There is a safety lever on the left side, with German markings for 'safe' and 'fire'. When the safety is on, the slide is pushed back slightly, which keeps the firing pin out of the way for loading. There is a plate protruding from the right side, just under the ejection port - presumably to protect the hand while firing.

    There is a stamp on the bottom of the grip that is shaped like a shield, and has "SUHL" in it, along with an image of a hammer. This is a standard Suhl marking. Near the stamp is a marking that says "M.33" (perhaps model of 1933 ??). Also near the stamp is a marking "XX". This is possibly an Agency marking, to mean 'experimental'. I have an early-production RS-6 radio set that also has XX markings. A firearms expert in Germany said that the “XX” is not a known marking, and that legitimate German markings are well-documented. An assembly number “35” is found on the underside of the front edge of the barrel, and also on an interior surface of the slide. The grips have the "ASS" logo. No other markings.

    Everything is steel, except for the plastic grips, and the trigger, which is made of a non-ferrous metal (aluminum??). The barrel has a smooth bore, roughly 25 caliber. Sighting down it, there is a slight 'contraction' in the middle section of the barrel - that is, it becomes slightly narrower in the middle, by a few thousands of an inch. This contraction may be part of the ejection mechanism: If the cartridge includes a wad, then this restriction in the bore would cause a momentary increase in gas pressure, to aid in ejecting the empty cartridge.

    Two or more other variants of this pistol have been described to me (one is pictured on the web site of a European museum).

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    Exellent,Agent X...great post..

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    Someone else located it, not me, so I deserve zero credit...but yeah, isn't that some wacky stuff?

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    but yeah, isn't that some wacky stuff?
    yep..

    I might get spanked for saying this but...

    never heard of an ASS pistol before today...

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    Question World war 11 pistol

    Looks a little like a blank firing pistol a friend of mine has

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    So it's an A.S.S. that shoots gas?
    Or is it an A.S.S. that will bring a tear to your eye?

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