Gun History Buffs...WWII-era find

Gun History Buffs...WWII-era find

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    Gun History Buffs...WWII-era find

    Anyone know what the gun pictured here is? A friend asked me (online) and I have no idea. Says his dad got it in Spain from a British soldier in 1944. It has a non-detachable magazine in the grip. Logo on the stocks reads "SAS" in fancy letters; I don't know if this refers to the maker or the user. I don't know anything else about it and don't have it on-hand to inspect, but was wondering if anyone had a clue as to what it is and where it came from. Thanks!

    (The photo is backwards b/c it was taken with a webcam...)

    Apparently I can't use IMG tags to this photo, but here is a link; sorry


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    Image was not good enough for me to tell anything about the gun. Sorry, but I don't think I've seen anything like it. Is it four barreled?
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    Single barrel; sorry about the image quality, but it's all I got, too...

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    My initial thought was that it was a "COP" 4 barreled .357 but I can see that it is not. The profile is somewhat the same though.
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    Wish it was a better image but you may want to sart your research with Tokarev Pistols. The general shape is very much like one of the old Russian styles.

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    That emblem on the left grip panel appears to be quite distinctive.

    That might be a good place to start a search.


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    Can't tell anything from the image but SAS normally stands for Special Air Service which is part of the British Special Forces.
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    Put up more pics from different angles....

    I think it is an early Semmerling...maybe a LM1.

    Also, has the barrel been cut down & is there any sights?

    What caliber?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Alte View Post
    Can't tell anything from the image but SAS normally stands for Special Air Service which is part of the British Special Forces.
    Uh huh, but seeing as membership of the SAS is secret, i hardly think they would be labelling their weapons. Kind of daft if you got captured.

    Not to mention that their emblem is in fact a flaming sword. (Not a winged dagger as commonly believed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by goawayfarm View Post
    Put up more pics from different angles....

    I think it is an early Semmerling...maybe a LM1.

    Also, has the barrel been cut down & is there any sights?

    What caliber?
    Was Semmerling around during WWII? The only info I can find on it is about the LM4 made in the 80s. 'Course, it's possible that the family backstory on the gun is incorrect, as well.

    It's not my gun and the owner doesn't know a thing (literally) about firearms, so I haven't been able to learn caliber, etc. from him.

    He says there are no markings on it whatsoever, aside from the beretta-esque SAS logo on the grip panel. I really doubt SAS refers to the Special Air Service, seeing what sort of gun this is...but I guess you can name a gun after whatever you want, even if the SAS isn't using it. My guess was that it was a manufacturer's logo, but I can't find anything on that.

    He did take a few more pics, but doesn't seem willing to do any more work...so I appreciate everyone's help...but this is all we have now:

    pic 1

    pic 2

    pic 3

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    According to the owner: It doesn't have any sights or any signs of them having existed. I don't think the barrel is cut off, because it is perfectly flush with the trigger guard. The entire gun is very well machined.


    Does anyone know where I can find a pic of a Semmerling LM1?

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    Here ya go

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    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

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    Thanks...I was trying to find the LM1, though, because this one's definitely not the LM4...

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    The 4 barreled COP .357...which was a stinky firearm BTW...but, neat looking as all get out.


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    Sorry, nothing in the Official Guide to Gunmarks. I'll keep looking through some other references. No other marks on the gun?
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