Interesting new submachine gun

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    Interesting new submachine gun

    Hey Daddy, can I have one for Christmas?

    http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...495&ran=238163

    The video is a little sensationalized but it's an interesting concept.
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    I agree it’s an interesting concept but after looking at the video and the cutaways of the mechanism in operation I wonder how reliable it would be in dusty or sandy conditions. I am no machinist but I would think such a system would require very close tolerances to function and very frequent cleaning and lubing.

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    While this is an interesting concept and could be a great tool in building clearing scenarios where BGs and hostages may be in close proximity to each other (because of the reduced muzzle rise, not the rate of fire), I can't see this mechanism being incorporated into anything other than a shoulder fired weapon. It would appear much too bulky to ever be designed into a handgun let alone a CCW.

    I also fail to see the advantage to any magazine fed firearm with a cyclic rate of 1500 rpm. At that rate a 30 rnd. mag would be empty in 1.2 seconds. A 100 round drum would be empty in 4 seconds. At that rate of fire, 100, 30 rnd magazines would only give you 2 minutes of actual firing time and you would be carrying well over 120 lbs of weight. If this firearm doesn't incorporate some type of burst-fire mechanism, it would appear that on any type of extended engagement, you would have to leave the weapon on semi-auto or you wouldn't be able to carry enough ammunition. Maybe some of you guys who have been in actual combat can explain the advantage of having a weapon with such a high cyclic rate that you would virtually need a new 30 round mag for each bad guy encountered. With the reduced recoil of this firearm, it would seem to me that mechanically reducing the cyclic rate to something like 300 rpm would make for a much better weapon.

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    now now, guns are bad we dont need to talk about them.. JK all joking aside... its nice but i dont think that it will go very far, due to the factors already listed
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    The KRISS gun has been in various forms of development since the mid 90s when it first debuted.
    It's a real deal product and if you check around there is much in the way of information toward it and has been featured in multiple local (VA & DC) articles through the years as well as national attention including recently a feature spot on 'Future Weapons'.

    It's rate of fire is max not absolute.
    It can be by operator selection reduced down and fired in burst as well as normal/non-auto fire too.

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    Does that mean I can have one for Christmas???
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    Seeing this product for the first time in my interview, I was sold," Maffin said. "It's got the knockdown power a lot of guys want."
    Translation= It's a SMG in .45acp, for all of those who have been dreaming of the return of the M3 Grease gun!

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    Indeed, this show's always a little sensationalized (the host's "THIS is the coolest thing EVER!!" inflection always gives me the giggles), but it does appear to be a viable platform, especially if rate of fire is selectable, per Janq's report.

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    I remember this gun. I think I saw it at TREXPO in Dulles. IIRC it accepts Glock 21 Mags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunmaglas View Post
    Indeed, this show's always a little sensationalized (the host's "THIS is the coolest thing EVER!!" inflection always gives me the giggles), but it does appear to be a viable platform, especially if rate of fire is selectable, per Janq's report.
    You get "the giggles"? For real? I don't think I would have mentioned that here - you have no idea what you might set yourself up for!

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    I think the concept is pretty cool...something to be built upon, perhaps?
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    I guess I would have to get a second job delivering pizzas so that I could afford to by the ammo that it spit out. Looks like it would be hard to conceal even in one of those pizza insulators on the delivery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    You get "the giggles"? For real? I don't think I would have mentioned that here - you have no idea what you might set yourself up for!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    I remember this gun. I think I saw it at TREXPO in Dulles. IIRC it accepts Glock 21 Mags.
    Rob,

    It was on display at TREXPO East (Chantilly, VA) like 2 yrs. ago IIRC.

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