Beating a dead horse? or Should College be banned?

Beating a dead horse? or Should College be banned?

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    Beating a dead horse? or Should College be banned?

    With all this anti gun talk as of late, and how we should ban things that are a danger to people. I pulled this straight from the Brady site everyone has prob. seen it but what the heck maybe I am beating a dead horse or maybe we should ban college, you tell me.

    The report details the reasons why bringing guns onto campus would dramatically increase the danger to students and faculty alike. For example:

    Drugs and alcohol. Binge drinking is highest among 18-24 olds, and college gun owners are more likely than other students to binge drink, need a drink first thing in the morning, use cocaine or crack, be arrested for a DUI, vandalize property, and get in trouble with the police.

    Suicide and mental health issues. Every year about 1,100 college students commit suicide, but another 24,000 attempt to do so. Given that 90% of attempted suicides with guns are successful, how much more frequently will temporarily-depressed youths commit suicide if guns are available?

    Gun theft. Stolen guns are a key source of guns used in crime. Guns stolen from homes have been used in school shootings in Jonesboro, Arkansas, Springfield, Oregon, and elsewhere. Does it really make sense to put guns in open college dorm rooms?
    With stats like that I think college is too dangerous. Did anyone notice the part about how 1,000 college students off themselfs yearly? we should ban college!

    -Alex


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    Wow, those 18-24 year olds are a mess. They should not be allowed to vote, drive cars, serve in the military, get married, or be employed!
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    if these youngsters (like myself) are too crazy to have guns, why does the state let them get a concealed carry permit?
    Myself, along with everyone else at our university's range that has their CPL and believe me, none of us drink often, and when we do everyones gun gets locked up. We already have a law that says alcohol and guns is a big no no. To assume that everyone that goes to college is ALWAYS drunk is just silly. only 75% of them are!
    As for suicides.. if someone really wants to kill themselves, well, maybe we should figure out another way to make college less of a pain in the __ so that they want to. not to mention, if someone really wants to, they will. taking away guns wont help. That and must student will do it at home, which is usually off campus.. where if they are those crazy gun folk they will have their guns anyways.

    Now theft is one thing i can somewhat understand in the dorm rooms. I can see the university saying that if you are not in the same room as your gun (aka in your own room or its on your hip) then it needs to be in a safe. And then of course provide a safe of gun check-in area in dorms for those who cant afford a mini safe for their rooms. or something like that. But believe me, banning guns does not keep people from bringing them to school with them.
    I know many people that just have them in their dorms or campus apartments anyways! That or they have an off campus friend, they have him take care of them.

    I just dont think that if the government says that I can go on campus with a gun, that my school should say I cant.

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    Typical scare tactics. Everyone knows all college students are irresponsible drunkards who spend their free time between binges getting high and starting fights... right?

    The bottom line is that students (and faculty, visiting parents, etc. let's not forget about them!) who go through the hassle and expense of getting a concealed carry permit, submit to an FBI background check, learn the applicable laws, and go through all the steps to carry legally aren't going to turn around and be irresponsible with their guns the second they go onto a college campus. It just doesn't make sense.
    "A well-educated electorate, being necessary to the continuance of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed."
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    I just think people should stop buying into the garbage the colleges support themselves on; you have to go to college if you want to make it to your full potential.

    Any thinking person knows this is BS, however it is a common belief. Yet parents still send their kids and money off to these places and support the moronic socialist society.
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    There is not one argument that holds water when used to deprive those who qualify for a state CCW of the right to carry on campus. Those who obtain said CCW are already in the smallest category of offenders, have been given specific training (by state) with regards to the use of lethal force and are not a part of the generally less than stellar statistic used above.

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    I would absolutely love to see the source for this statement:
    Drugs and alcohol. Binge drinking is highest among 18-24 olds, and college gun owners are more likely than other students to binge drink, need a drink first thing in the morning, use cocaine or crack, be arrested for a DUI, vandalize property, and get in trouble with the police.













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    A big part of the problem is that way too many parents live with this delusion that they are required to pay for their kid's college.

    I don't have kids, but if I did, they get to pay for their own college if they want to go so bad.


    I paid my own way, and my wife paid her own way ... as a result, neither of us wasted the time and money by too much partying or goofing off (also we both had to work so we didn't have time for partying and the other stupid things college students waste their time on).

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    The Nanny State hates personal responsibility. All too often American colleges promote Nanny State thinking.

    The innocent of this nation are regulated to death. That's easier than administering harsh punishment to the lawbreaker. Our justice system has no stomach for the punishments that would truly protect society. "Cruel and unusual" has painted reason into a corner for so long, and with such a wide brush that the mindset of a couple of generations has become warped. As a result we'll have just as much crime as we're willing to tolerate, and collectively we're obviously willing to tolerate quite a lot. Of course our present society collectively has neither the stomach for appropriate punishments nor the will and intelligence to bend government to serve us in the ways envisioned by our founders.

    Everything in this country is turned on its head. White is called black and black is called white, right is suppressed as wrong and wrong is championed as right.

    Tolerance is the only virtue that may be freely exercised. Any wiff of intolerance must not be tolerated and stamped out. When tolerance becomes a vice then moral foundations have crumbled.

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    Sorry, ill humored and intolerant today.

    Rant over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SevenSix9ine View Post
    With all this anti gun talk as of late, and how we should ban things that are a danger to people. I pulled this straight from the Brady site everyone has prob. seen it but what the heck maybe I am beating a dead horse or maybe we should ban college, you tell me.



    With stats like that I think college is too dangerous. Did anyone notice the part about how 1,000 college students off themselfs yearly? we should ban college!

    -Alex
    UMMM my college had an Honor code, Locks on doors where forbiddon anybody could just walk in your room even other college keydets and everybody had a M14 in his/her room with a Bayonet.

    We sometimes had REAL F/A(sorry 3 shot burst A2's) M16 in our dorm rooms. Granted it was for ROTC, but most don't let you take them back to your room.

    We also had a guard (who was a student) carrying around a M14 every second of the day. Handguns were very prevalant in the guard room (which was a rotating assignment to every keydet). I ain't talking strickly about MP's.

    We had no drug problem because THEY WHERE ILLEGAL--> see honor code
    We did drink......our Superintendent walked in one time and said "Were are the Kegs" General Bunting two thirds of the keydets are under 21.
    Lt. General Bunting-"If your a VMI keydet you should be allowed to drink if the commanding general says so."

    PS: VMI is state funded PUBLIC school, it is not a Military Academy.
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    I especially like this one, "college gun owners are more likely than other students to binge drink, need a drink first thing in the morning, use cocaine or crack, be arrested for a DUI, vandalize property, and get in trouble with the police." Just exactly where did they come up with this? Must be the truth though because we all know the Brady Bunch would never lie.
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    With stats like that I think college is too dangerous. Did anyone notice the part about how 1,000 college students off themselfs yearly? we should ban college
    and eating and paying bills good qtrs raising families ect

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    Perhaps students should have background checks and obtain a 'license' to attend college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    A big part of the problem is that way too many parents live with this delusion that they are required to pay for their kid's college.

    I don't have kids, but if I did, they get to pay for their own college if they want to go so bad.


    I paid my own way, and my wife paid her own way ... as a result, neither of us wasted the time and money by too much partying or goofing off (also we both had to work so we didn't have time for partying and the other stupid things college students waste their time on).

    not saying that having you kids pay for college is a bad thing.
    but my dad is paying for mine. and believe me. i work my butt off and get almost all As. I work as hard as I can and am graduating a year early because he is paying for me to be here.
    I am sooo thankful that I will not start my working career in a bunch of dept and if i have kids that want to go to college, i will gladly pay for it (with stringent conditions of course. i will not pay for my kid to drink and slack off). just my 2 cents

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    Then there's this- happened a few weeks ago.

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...LOCAL/71016019
    An Indiana University law student suspected of firing shots outside of an apartment building on Bloomington's southwestside today is in custody, police said.

    Jesse Sneed, 27, Wood River, Ill.,is charged with criminal recklessness with a weapon. He was arrested about 8:15 a.m. when he tried to sneak out of the building and drive away in a vehicle, police said. Police officers secured the scene about 11:30 a.m.

    An IU spokeswoman said Sneed was a law student.

    Bloomington police had surrounded the apartment building at Second Street and Landmark Avenue earlier after reports of a man firing shots from a balcony. A nearby school was put on lockdown as a precaution during the incident, and area businesses and neighbors were told to lock their doors and remain inside.

    Police found two high-powered rifles on the apartment building roof -- an AK-47 and an AR-15.

    No one was hurt in the incident.

    Police Sgt. Faron Lake said the man fired a rifle numerous times, then went back inside an apartment. Police Capt. Joe Qualters says officers tried to establish communication with the man.

    The apartment is about a mile southwest of downtown Bloomington and the Indiana University campus.
    From the local Topix forum:
    News flash from Bloomington H-T:

    "Indiana University law student Jesse Sneed may have been aiming his assault rifle at his Real Estate Transfer Finance and Development textbook when he fired shots from his westside apartment balcony early Tuesday morning, police say. The book was found later in the parking lot, shot clean through by two rounds, according to investigators."

    Someone remarked on the H-T forum:
    "Jesse will get an A+ if his homework assignment was to shoot holes in all of the legal arguments on Real Estate Transfers."

    I can't top that.
    And apparently there was an empty field he was shooting towards, but inside city limits, it's still stupid. I haven't heard anything yet about whether he had a CCW permit. I too would like to know the difference between all gun owners and permit holders when it comes to their drinking habits.
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