Glocks and XDs, external safety?

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  • Yes, this is an unsafe design.

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  • No, I like them as they are and I'm safe following the 4 rules.

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  • What about revolvers?

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    Glocks and XDs, external safety?

    As seen in another thread.

    Should Glocks and XDs (any striker fired pistol currently without a safety) have an external safety?
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    both have safeties, just not manually actuated safeties. I voted no.

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    I will likely add an XD to my collection in the future. A passive (non trigger) safety is one reason why I would choose one over a Glock or other similar gun. That being said, my new Kahr is making me reconsider my position on the passive safety system.

    After comparing the triggers on Kahrs and XDs though, I see why springfields have the grip safety. The XD has got a shorter, crisper, and lighter trigger pull than the Kahr, meaning I think it benefits more from the grip safety.

    I don't think either XDs or Glocks need a manual safety, nor would I want either with one.
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    NO

    Glock’s are the safest firearms available. But, I am sure I’ll get some arguments regarding that.

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    I believe all mechanically sound firearms to be as safe as possible. The user determines how safe it is in relation to other people.
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    Don't see the need...Rather, I see it as a step I could forget in a pickle.
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    No. These designs are perfectly safe, and we can never put enough mechanical devices on something to overcome carelessness, negligence, or stupidity.
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    I prefer an external manual safety, particularly on short or light-pull guns. Not that I think the "point and click" guns are unsafe, far from it. As has already been said, it's the user that makes it safe or not. So, I didn't answer the poll.

    The way I look at it, it's a small habit for me to build to swipe my thumb down the side of the frame as I draw, and it gives me an extra layer of insurance against a clothing snag while holstering, the very unlikely event of a foreign object in my holster, a careless-finger moment (which I also train hard against), or anything else that I can't think of until it results in an ND.
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    I think the external manual safety breeds reliance on a mechanical device instead of proper pistol craft.
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    Just on a roll, Scott? If one is desperate for a manual safety, there are many other pistols out there. I view that in the same light as the DAO 1911. If one "needs" that many safety features, one might want to reconsider having a device as dangerous as a firearm. IMHO, my $.02, etc., etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    I think the external manual safety breeds reliance on a mechanical device instead of proper pistol craft.
    So then, do we really need a thumb safety on a 1911?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob72 View Post
    Just on a roll, Scott?
    Nope. Just closed a thread this AM with several hijacks in it. So I figured I would start threads based on the hijacks I saw so folks could continue them, but under a title that was related to the topic.

    Also why I tried to post them without my personal bias other than maybe in the four poll options.

    Personally I'm fine with Glocks and XDs. I own both. I also own 1911s with external safeties, but I do seem to favor guns without external safeties. (Sigs and Revolvers)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangle View Post
    So then, do we really need a thumb safety on a 1911?
    Nope and no grip safety either. But that is my opinion.
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    A mechanical safety may have its place for some, but from what I've seen, heard and read over the years, it only adds to the possibility of error and/or delay in a self defense situation. Funny the three ADs I've seen were "I thought the safety was on". The four basic rules keep you and others safe, not mechanical devices.

    As a compromise, I find the idea of a heavy trigger pull less objectionable, e.g. the "NY trigger" for Glocks, but still not for me.

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    I see two major errors. (1) discharging a round when you do not intend to and (2) not being able to discharge a round when you intend to.

    To not have a (1) I follow the 4 rules and either (if the gun has an external hammer, I put my thumb on the hammer when reholstering, otherwise, I make sure I am reholstering into a Kydex holster IWB or either type OWB). To not have a (2), I only use handguns without a manual safety. No ifs/ands/buts about it. Triggger, mag release and slide release. That is all that I need to manipulate.

    The glock has 3 safeties as it it. another one is going to do nothing but possibly give me a (2) error. And the time I would spend in training myself to "snick" or "sweep" off the safety is time I could be using training myself in a simpler gun without a manual safety.

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