The .357 Stops The Kodiak Bear

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    The .357 Stops The Kodiak Bear

    A walk down good ol' memory lane.
    The initial introduction of the .357 Magnum Cartridge.

    Enjoy the reading!

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    Huge aggressive bear and a .357 pistol?
    Better have iron 'round ones' and lady luck pulling your trigger...

    Stay armed...don't shoot a bear with a .357(or you may be on memory lane)...stay safe!
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    As like in the illustration maybe not such a great idea to shoot from the hip at a charging bear.
    But, I do remember many older documented incidents of bear being taken with one shot from the .357.
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    You have to respect a 500ish pound predator... but bears in North America (brown and black) aren't nearly as dangerous or aggressive as people (Hollywood?) wants them to be. They are generally completely indifferent to your presence.

    In regards to stopping an aggressive one, as with all shots on every target, shot placement is key. That all said, shot placement is a lot easier with a rifle and going into bear country without a high powered rifle, isn't exactly prudent but it isn't exactly dangerous either.

    A couple of outdoors men, up north of where I live, killed a larger brown bear with a 9mm Taurus (after the one with the shotgun freaked out and dropped it into the river).

    /A lot more people are killed by pigs each year than bears.

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    A .22 has killed just about everything that has lived at one time or another.

    That doesnt make it the best cartridge for the job. It just proves that shot placement is what matters.
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    the ammo produced for the .357 mag. and .44 mag. back then, were more powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albatross View Post
    You have to respect a 500ish pound predator... but bears in North America (brown and black) aren't nearly as dangerous or aggressive as people (Hollywood?) wants them to be. They are generally completely indifferent to your presence.

    In regards to stopping an aggressive one, as with all shots on every target, shot placement is key. That all said, shot placement is a lot easier with a rifle and going into bear country without a high powered rifle, isn't exactly prudent but it isn't exactly dangerous either.

    A couple of outdoors men, up north of where I live, killed a larger brown bear with a 9mm Taurus (after the one with the shotgun freaked out and dropped it into the river).

    /A lot more people are killed by pigs each year than bears.
    The scenario was about Kodiak bears...I lived in AK for 7 years...

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    Kodiak bears are the largest bears in the world. A large male can stand over 10' tall when on his hind legs, and 5' when on all four legs. They weigh up to 1,500 pounds. Females are about 20% smaller, and 30% lighter than males.


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    Don't take a .357magnum to a bear fight, take a 375H&H instead

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    The .357 Stops The Kodiak Bear
    That .357 in the story did, perhaps. I'd rather be armed with something far more potent, though. Something .450 or larger, and just as hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    The scenario was about Kodiak bears...I lived in AK for 7 years...

    Note:
    Kodiak bears are the largest bears in the world. A large male can stand over 10' tall when on his hind legs, and 5' when on all four legs. They weigh up to 1,500 pounds. Females are about 20% smaller, and 30% lighter than males.
    This is no exaggeration.

    I drew a brown bear permit for Kodiak Island in the spring of 1979. Hunted for 10 days, never got close enough to one to try a shot with my .44 Auto-Mag pistol. No, I wasn't completely insane back then. My hunting partner carried a .338 Magnum.

    On a side note, in the 70s there was a full mount record book Kodiak bear on display in the J.C. Penney's store in Anchorage. This bruin took 10 shots from a .375 H&H to put down.

    Then there was another record book bear on display in the Kodiak city airport terminal. This one was taken with one shot from a .250 Savage.

    Here's an average Kodiak:



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    Perspective is an interesting thing. Haven't been close enough to a grizzly in the wild to matter, though a few large black bears have been too close for comfort. All in all, I'd rather be fishing.
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    Here's a good pic for scale reference, I think that's only a grizzly.
    http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0026610618868a.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Kodiak bears are the largest bears in the world.
    Larger than the polar bear?

    Edit to add:
    Seems no one can agree
    http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/bear.html
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    I think this blurb dates back to when the .357 MAGNUM was first introduced as the most powerful handgun cartridge in existence as per the time of that (above) being written.
    Back when the S&W revolver chambered for the 357 Mag was hyped as the unstoppable machine of its day.
    An interesting bit of handgun history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD View Post
    Larger than the polar bear?

    Edit to add:
    Seems no one can agree
    http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/bear.html
    From my experience, I think it's too close to call. If you average it out, there's probably not much size difference between the two species.

    Polar bears, Ursus maritimus, are true carnivores, their diet consisting strictly of seals, other sea life and carrion. Brown/grizzly bears, Ursus arctos, & the Kodiak bear, (sub-species middendorffi), are omnivores. The Kodiak's salmon rich diet accounts in large part for its size, but it also eats plants, berries, insects and carrion (and humans, when it gets the opportunity).

    They are also cannibals. (Yes, they will eat their own species).

    Alaska coastal brown bears subsist on the same diet as their Kodiak cousins, consequently coastal brownies and Kodiaks are on a par, size-wise, but the brownie is usually the smaller of the two.

    As one travels further inland, the bears' diet changes, relying less on fish and more on plants, berries & wildlife, so they grow to a smaller size. There is no genetic difference between the Alaska brown bear and the grizzly bear, the only difference is their habitat, diet, and size. A grizzly bear is a brown bear that lives more than 60 miles from salt water.

    Other notes: The Kodiak bear is a genetically different (and named) sub-species of the Alaska brown bear because of its isolation. They have been confined to the Kodiak Island Archipelago, and nowhere else in the world, for the last 12,000 years.

    The Polar bear is the only bear that will stalk and kill a human being without provocation.

    Okay, to everyone's relief, I'm done.


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