December 17th, 2007 01:33 PM
Canada handgun question
I don't understand this talk of banning handguns in Canada. I thought you already couldn't get a handgun unless you are part of a sanctioned shooting club/team. Don't even cops have to leave them at work? My confusion comes in because i've heard a lot of people argure that Canadas' homocide rates are less than ours because you can't get guns there. Surely someone here can reliieve me of my ignorance on this matter.
December 17th, 2007 01:48 PM
Canadas crime rate 50% HIGHER than US
Originally Posted by Cupcake
December 17th, 2007 06:22 PM
As a Canadian that's immigrated to the U.S. for the past 13 yrs, you've got to remember 2 things : Canada has a larger landmass - smaller population.
The U.S. is pushing what now 300+ million?
Canada is maybe 34+ million on a good day
So....YES it appears there are less homicides (involving guns).........but overall violent crimes are up
The entire handgun issue in Canada as far as I've been told from friends & family still living there is that the Liberal Gov't that had been in power for the past 12yrs believed that is you took the guns away - crime would go away. IN THE BIG URBAN CENTERS like Toronto - Montreal - Quebec City - Ottawa / where unfortunately the majority of the voting population in Canada is - umm - nope.
So they spent billions on a useless gun registration act that basically stated that every Canadian citizen had to register the gun(s) they already owned and if they were on the "bad gun list "- you could still own it without registering it, just never be able to buy ammo for it cause the very idea of having a non-registered gun - you'd contribute to crime that way.
Then to actually BUY a gun/rifle you must pass a hunters safety course, complete the Gov't background checks, wait something like 30 days to pick the damn thing up, register it, then you can buy ammo....but not too much at a time.
All it did was essentially create a black market for guns that criminals bought/traded with ammo smuggled in from the U.S. and disarmed law abiding citizens.
And as far as handguns go, they've always been on the gov't hit list. Yes you can own them (if registered and not on the "bad list"). But to actually use them you have to:
1. Belong to a range/club
2. Only transport in a locked safe/case w/no ammo anywheres near it - in the trunk is trhe only place I believe
3. Call the RCMP and TELL them what time your leaving your house....where your going......and what route your taking and how long you'll be there.
Yep that's right. Heaven help you is you stop at a 7-11 for a slurpy.
And yes.....it's that nuts
Not sure right now, but the PC party in power now is trying to "re-write" the law and basically scrap it. Just not sure how successfull they are going to be, but I for one sure hope they do.
And hey the info I'm going on is all the *****'n my hunting friends at home have passed along to me as to thier woes, and my experiences when I lived there. So take it with a grain of salt as to the actuall accuracy. But I know I'm close.
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December 17th, 2007 06:28 PM
Close enough for me. Thanks
December 17th, 2007 07:36 PM
Hmm... sounds like Maryland, California, Massachusetts and Illinois
Originally Posted by cupsz71
December 17th, 2007 08:37 PM
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December 18th, 2007 10:05 AM
December 18th, 2007 10:49 AM
Gottlieb cites an article by Canada's National Post columnist David Frum where he revealed that "Canada's overall crime rate is now 50 percent higher than the crime rate in the United States.”
I'd like to know where Mr. Frum got his stats from? Most of our stats come from, from what I've read lately, the FBI reports or local/state (police)crime reports. Is Canada's crime numbers coming from thier national and local LE departments as well? Or just "roughly compiled numbers"?
I know thier crime wasn't any better than the U.S.'s, but had no idea it was that bad?!? I'm one of the ignorent on this subject as well.
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