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    Boldly And Shamelessly Stolen From The Realm Of The Public Domain For Our Forum Members By QKShooter.
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    The Dumbing Down of the American Shooter

    Anyone who has been seriously involved in the shooting sports for a long time has probably noticed that there is now a lot of (or at least a lot more) hype and myth-information floating around, as well as a distinct lack of inquisitiveness and a willingness to really learn about shooting, out there. The following rant expresses my feelings on the subject.

    The "Gun Press"
    A survey of many recent magazine articles shows a real lack of editorial depth and information. Even reloading manuals are written as though for a 6-year old. Now "beginner's" manuals are just fine, it's just that everything seems to be written for the 6th grade level shooter.

    A review of current articles compared to those written in the 50s and through the 80s shows a lack of both technical depth and accuracy that used to be taken for granted. Not to mention that a lot of already published and well researched information has simply been forgotten. Publications and their articles seem, for the most part, to be driven by advertiser's funding rather than a quest for accurate knowledge and its sharing. Just about every product review indicates that the new item in question is "the very best," but real data on test conditions and their results are mysteriously missing or lacking key data. Meaningless or unsubstantiated claims are given for ammunition or firearms performance, and the unproven personal opinions of writers are stated as fact--even when the truth is known to be different.

    Just looking as the size and content of the magazines tells you something. I have an almost 60 year archive of a "respected firearms journal" and up until the 80s the magazine contained mostly articles. Now days there are frequently more adds than information. At one point things got so skimpy that I could store three years worth of issues in the space previously needed for two years worth.

    What articles there are, are pretty weak 90 percent of the time. As an example, one recent article in that "respected national firearms journal" concerned throat erosion. Hmmm! Something good here? Nope. The article had two pictures of bore sections showing the process of erosion that seemed rather familiar to me and several pages of the authors text expounding his personal ideas. No data or test results were shown, no measurements taken or given. Just unsubstantiated opinions. Another article in the same magazine on high power rifle competition turned out to be mainly an advertisement for the author's products with no really useful information. Even many of the "high end" specialty shooting journals are publishing poorly researched and documented articles these days.

    Most of the old writers such as Powley, Wheelan, Ackley, Davis, Harrison, Harris, and and the like, could not only actually shoot, and shoot well, they were also immersed in the technical aspects of shooting. They carefully researched what they wrote and could substantiate their ideas. Their careful study led to many advances and better shooting.

    Several years ago I assisted at a press event given to introduce "gun writers" to a new rifle. While there were several knowledgeable shooters among them, we spent a lot of time trying to keep many of them from shooting themselves or others, and showing them what the capabilities of the new rifle were. A couple could barely keep their hits on the paper at 200 yards--from the bench--and proclaimed that the rifle was inaccurate. Yet several of the good shooters among the hosting staff present had no problem hitting things from field positions as far away as they could see it. Of course, they were published writers and they knew what they were doing--at least according to most of them. They were the "professional experts" and we were amateurs

    In addition, most of the so called experts can't be bothered to answer correspondent's questions (even when a postage paid return envelope is sent) or, if they do, they frequently blow the person off with flip answers or in some cases the wrong answers. Several years ago I pointed out an major error in an article in a professional shooting trade journal and furnished the correct information. Shortly thereafter I receive a very foul languaged reply wanting to know who I was to criticize HIM--an expert--and that no stupid little hobby shooter was going to tell him what was what. The old time writers would have either thanked me for pointing out the error or would have engaged me in a professional level dialogue on the subject.

    The few really good writers still around, especially if their research shows that the truth is different from the status-quo, frequently never get their works published at all or have it heavily edited because advertisers may get upset. As an example, the work of Bob McCoy who was probably the leading ballistician of the 20th century was never published in the various magazines, even in simplified form, because it went against the "conventional wisdom" of the various manufactures who wanted their products to look good. Have you ever noticed that 99 percent of the time every gun, bullet, or accessory tested is "wonderful."

    The "respected national firearms journal" mentioned above has a technical assistance column to which readers can send questions. It use to be a real asset to folks seriously studying shooting or simply trying to learn something. Questioners would not only receive accurate answers quickly but frequently they would receive more information on the subject than they had asked for. Now, replies, if they are ever received, seem to contain juvenal level, incomplete, or frequently incorrect answers.

    Similar things seem to be the norm in almost all shooting related magazines. I attribute this phenomena to the fact that today's culture stresses high speed, glitz, and the easy way. This has lead to people with a modicum of knowledge who can simply write being put in the position of expert and their work is never questioned by the editors who know practically nothing themselves.

    The Manufacturers
    Even many of the various manufactures can't be bothered to professionally discuss things or share knowledge. When I queried a major powder manufacture about some characteristics of their powders I was told I had no need to know that information and that under no circumstances would they tell me. Their attitude was "you people are too stupid to understand such things." Interestingly, another manufacturer, to their credit, not only provided the requested information and experimental data on their powders but they also shared data on the other manufactures products with me.

    Because nowadays most shooters just don't bother to take the time to research things, experiment, question, and learn on their own--a sign of the modern push button times(?)--these "experts" get away with it spreading "bullistics" and the masses believe them. (What? You mean you can't take your deer at 800 yards with one shot, off hand, every time, in a 10 mph cross-wind?) The skill and disciplines of marksmanship have been replaced by an equipment cult whose belief is that fancy or esoteric equipment obviates the need for practice, marksmanship, and field craft. (Out there where the ranges are long all you need are the 8.32 mm Super Magnum, a new Remingchester Mark IX titanium rifle, and a 21 power Dr. Seuss moon scope...)

    Gunsmiths & Gunshops
    When I was a kid I visited several local gunshops on a regular basis. Not only did both the owners and employees know what they were talking about but they went out of their way to teach new shooter about the shooting sports. Now days almost all the gunshop folks I run into don't have a clue about the facts and when asked a question act as if you are disturbing them.

    While there are still a lot of very competent gunsmiths there are an awful lot of them, including some current big name 'smiths, that don't seem to know what they are doing. These folks try to con new shooters into spending big bucks on custom work when they really don't need it or they refuse to do the work the way a customer wants, claiming that they know best. Sharp edges, overly tightened tolerances, wonderful external finishes with crappy inside work, and failure to stand by their work when things go wrong. It also seems from reports that I have been getting that there are more and more shysters who take your money and run. Not only that, but some 'smiths charge ridiculous prices for the simplest work or adjustments. One 'smith apparently no longer in business was charging almost $100 for a trigger adjustment that involved simply adjusting to screws. Unfortunately, he didn't really know what he was doing, and while a light pull was achieved, the firing pin would frequently drop when closing the bolt. When I was a teenager, both of the local gunsmiths (a full timer and two part timers) were both very competent, and went out of their way to help a shooter get what he needed and helped new shooters maximize their dollars spent. They even showed customers how they did their work. Now days some 'smiths think their tricks (which were around before they were big enough to hold a gun) are deep and mysterious secrets suitable only for "the chosen."

    The Shooting Sports
    Another problem is that the shooting sports in America are not really growing because young people are not taking up the sport. This is due in part to the liberal political establishment demonizing firearms and portray hunters and gun owners as ignorant violence prone slobs, and to the apathy of most shooters. When was the last time you introduced a non-shooter to shooting? In addition, the demise of the vast open hunting areas, especially in the east, has cut down on the number of individuals growing up with the hunting experience.

    Many of the various shooting activities which use to be simply fun or realistic simulations of field activities (of both the hunting and personal protection scenarios) have been turned into big money games that many people can't afford to compete in with winning scores measured in hundredths of a point. The ordinary or beginning shooter is simply intimidated and priced out of the sport. In spite of the protests of their sport's originators the attitude has become "Win at any cost." People will often argue with the range officers and even cheating just to get another 1/10 point so they can "win." To be competitive in many of the shooting sports can require thousands of dollars of equipment and frequently corporate sponsorship.

    The Shooters
    There is also a lot of name calling going on within the shooting sports. There are no better or worse shooting activities nor good or bad guns, yet each sport seems to attract those who condemn the other sports or firearms types, i.e. the trap and skeet shooters with their high priced shotguns think pistol sports are "bad." Rifle target shooters think Class 3 fans are nuts, "black guns" vs traditional rifles, etc, on on and on. This good gun-bad gun attitude among shooters plays right into the antigun crowd's hands who will work on their nefarious plans banning one "bad" gun after another until all "bad" guns have been banned.

    In addition there are a lot of "shooters" out there who seem to think that they are "gods" and when asked a question by a new shooter or some interested in shooting (especially in a sport other than theirs) they can be positively rude and obnoxious. Why????? I've had several people tell me that they were turned off to shooting by the attitudes of shooters they talked to.

    And then there are the "range slobs" with their foul mouths, bad manners, and even worse gun handling, who leave junk, brass and frequently broken glass and other refuse all over the place where they go to shoot. No wonder, many public shooting areas are being closed down.

    It's In Your Hands
    What to do? If you are serious about shooting, do some of your own research. Spend the time to experiment. Keep careful notes of what you do. Instead of spending money on the latest fad gun or accessories, buy a good chronograph and learn to use it. Read--build up a good technical reference library. (See the "reloading" section of my Q&A pages for a suggested library.) Discuss things with other shooters, question things, and above all apply common sense. Share your interests with other shooters of different disciplines. Don't be afraid to question an answer or a result, and above all use common sense. Seek out good training and then share it with others, especially young people you have contact with. Take non-shooting friends to the range and introduce them to shooting. Teach your own family members. Clean up your shooting areas. You will be greatly rewarded for your efforts both in personal satisfaction and in improved shooting.

    Second Amendment Issues
    Complacency and apathy are probably the most serious threats to shooting. If you are serious about shooting you also have to become involved in protecting the Second Amendment, because even some of the pro Second Amendment organizations don't really have your best interests at heart as they have become profit centers, not rights centers. Some of the worst and most recent antigun laws have been passed with the support of (or because of the apathy of) such organizations. They either didn't want to look too politically incorrect, their uppity directors didn't personally like a certain type of firearm, or because they didn't bother inform their members in time for them to fight things. Get involved, stay informed, and get your buddies involved. Write your congress-critters, and do it frequently. In addition, if you see something incorrectly portrayed or demonized in the newspapers or on the evening new, just don't sit there, write a letter to the editor. Be calm, be polite, be factual. Every little bit will help the shooting sports.

    Good shooting! As they said in the movie The Patriot, "Aim small, miss small!"

    Fr. Frog


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    Boy aint everything in there the truth i mean i could buy my first handgun till a few years ago and i still knew more than the dimbulbs working the counters

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    Bud

    For sure you did.
    I used to "hang out" in the gun shop on my lunch hours just to look & learn whatever I could about firearms from the old timers.

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    Good piece QK - truisms busting thru all the way. Many statements tho just reinforce how darned old I am and how things have changed.
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    I'm pretty new to shooting, so I can't say what it used to be like, but some of the nonsense I hear at gunstores now is unbelievable.

    One of the employees at a local gunstore carries a Glock, but only has 3 rounds in the gun. Why? "If I need more than that, I shouldn't have gotten into this situation in the first place", or another employee who told me that .22 magnum has a 1-stop shot % of about 40. He reasoned that 2 shots would make for an 80%, and 3 shots, the BG is dead.

    I know better than to listen to this nonsense, but what about the person new to shooting who doesn't know any better and takes this kind of advice?

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    One of the reasons I moonlight at the local gun store is because I'm, as I've often joked, the only shop clerk in North America who admits they don't know everything and will say so. ;)

    As far as why there aren't as many new shooters, I know out here a lot of it is the snobbery of the old guys. If it's not a pre-64 Winchester or a 1911, it's not worth anything, no matter how well it shoots - and the owner gets treated with the perceived value of the weapon in mind. It's one of the reasons I'm actively involved at the local range as a youth handgun instructor and on the board and do a lot of volunteer time. The folks who may not know as much or who haven't ever had an opportunity to experiment with new things come out of it with a good experience, and come back.

    Sure, I blow a little $$$ on handing out loaded magazines to people to shoot my toys, but well, I figure it's a couple hundred bucks a year tops, and when push comes to shove, I'd rather have happy, well-adjusted shooters on the line and in the surrounding bays who see that it's considered reasonable to offer friendly assistance and contribute to the club's well being versus the gnarled old farts who wouldn't give 'em the time of day*.



    * No offense to the gnarled old farts who would - we have some great old guys here who I'll miss substantially when they're gone.
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    Just as an aside, I find that people who have what I consider to be great skill in shooting, especially under real life conditions, to be a little gruff and abrasive. It is admittedly understandable.

    I've even joked once that you can tell who's a good shooter by how unpleasant they are. There are of course a multitude of exceptions.

    It goes the other way sometimes too. I have surprised an old codger once. Once.

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    No offense to the gnarled old farts
    You called Robert?? hehe - guess I am pretty close to the category tho not too gnarled yet.

    I will tho always, with newbies and the like - give time willingly when I can. My main proviso tho is that these folks, young or old are sensible, sincere and wish to learn. The idiot brigade I can do without.

    It is in fact from, if you will, a selfish POV - a most satisfying pleasure, to watch progress, safety and enjoyment coming thru. Call it grins on faces
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry
    It is in fact from, if you will, a selfish POV - a most satisfying pleasure, to watch progress, safety and enjoyment coming thru. Call it grins on faces
    Yeah, it's one of the main reasons I teach the kids.
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