Why is there not a general price for firearm recieving?

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    Why is there not a general price for firearm recieving?

    The rule is: you must ship your firearm to a liscence FFL.

    Why is it then, that there is not a general price to recieve firearms? Here in Central Florida, in the past 2 years - the prices have SKY ROCKETED. Everyone in my area wants $40-50 to recieve long guns...that's just outrageous. If it's going to be a solid stone rule, why can't the price be solid as well?

    This is partially logic, and mostly rant. But I'm sick of price gouging in all aspects of my life, and NO ONE is doing anything about it. If I could, I'd set up my own shop and charge $10 to recieve any gun, and $5 for the background check - and dominate every other shop. $5 for an hour of range time shouldn't be out of the question either. If anyone were to do this they would blow by the competition, so why doesn't it happen?

    But no, we're stuck with $50 to recieve, $13 for an hour at the range, guns that are $100 over MSRP, and ammo that's absolutely insane. wth is going on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercalf View Post
    The rule is: you must ship your firearm to a liscence FFL.

    Why is it then, that there is not a general price to recieve firearms? Here in Central Florida, in the past 2 years - the prices have SKY ROCKETED. Everyone in my area wants $40-50 to recieve long guns...that's just outrageous. If it's going to be a solid stone rule, why can't the price be solid as well?

    This is partially logic, and mostly rant. But I'm sick of price gouging in all aspects of my life, and NO ONE is doing anything about it. If I could, I'd set up my own shop and charge $10 to recieve any gun, and $5 for the background check - and dominate every other shop. $5 for an hour of range time shouldn't be out of the question either. If anyone were to do this they would blow by the competition, so why doesn't it happen?

    But no, we're stuck with $50 to recieve, $13 for an hour at the range, guns that are $100 over MSRP, and ammo that's absolutely insane. wth is going on?
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    What is keeping you or anyone else from setting up your own shop and range and getting rich?

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    Huge disparity in my area. I use a nice shop that charges $20, but there are some that go as high as $100. Shop around. My guy usually makes a sale or two off me when I'm in there also. They have absolutely no costs involved, other than a little time, and most shops have a couple of guys standing around anyway.
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    Husker, my search is within 30 miles or so :/ Beyond that, gas cancels any money I'd save.

    FN, I plan on getting the hell out of Florida, so I'm not going to set up a shop (1). Two, I'm going a different route with my career, and it doesn't require (3) the startup cost to get a gunshop going. Let alone the paperwork! Agh!!
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    Why not a fixed price? Free market. Some shops will deem they have a higher cost basis to cover; others, less. Voting with your wallet and using your finger on the telephone keypad will find the lowest price/service combination.

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    I do not buy from my local stores because of this reason. Those who know the Central Florida area know how much a of a rip off Shoot Straight, Reigs, Oak Ridge, etc are. I buy all my ammo online, or at Wal-Mart.

    It is VERY obvious that storefront owners are just jealous and angry that the online market is taking all their business. Well here's a hint to those "businessmen" - lower your freaking prices. I could care less if these places stay open - it shouldn't be the customers concern to keep their local business running - it should be the owners concern on whether or not his shop is doing well.

    I'm still supporting a gun shop somewhere when I buy online- and even if I only save 10 bucks after the transfer, maybe my message will become clear that I don't want to pay $400 for a Mossberg pump, just so the store can remain well-lit.

    The ONLY reason stores are raising their recieving fee is to keep business away from the online market (of course nothing stops them from selling online) - and it's just rediculous that no other store wants to lower their costs to take away from other dealers in the area.
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    To be fair, I always offer my local guy the option to match the price out the door. My old one did, but he retired. Now they just look at me and say "I can't sell a gun at that price". I say "Well, someone just did".
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    I try to support my local shop. When the price disparity far outweighs the relationship, I buy online. My Taurus PT1911 w/ night sights is a very recent example. The only local shop that even stocks the pistol wants $660. I paid $475 online. I have a shop right behind my office that charges $20 for the transfer and $5 for the insta-check. Three blocks away, the dealer charges $35 ($25 if you join the range for $150). This is the same dealer that wanted almost $200 more for my Taurus.

    I know central Florida and the best dealer is way up in Jax. He'll sell a gun for $1 over cost if it means a) the other guy doesn't get the sale; and b) he doesn't carry the inventory. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not back on the gun show circuit. You might get lucky and make contact, find a good deal and have him bring it to the next show.

    $50 to some is pocket change. Ragging on one's perception of socio-economic status is dangerous - borderline elitist. $50 to one person may be like $500 to someone else. I happen to know the circumstances and rest assured, Mercalf is NOT spending discretionary money. He's young and trying to claw his way into the shooting sport and get his ducks in a row. Much like many in here. Many have probably spent and entire lifetime doing the same very thing - probably at much lower prices. He's just getting a jump on things and already is light years ahead of his peers in many, many ways.

    Mercalf, you may have to wait until you leave that market. Dealers will continue to charge whatever the market will bear. Until or unless someone (like you) comes along and charges a lower price, local dealers will not change. One in central Florida won't change regardless of the market. He doesn't have to. He gets a ton of business and money from his overseas connections. That's a topic for a different day and a different forum. If you do decide to enter the fray, be prepared to advertise, advertise and advertise. Word will get around that you are charging X and everyone else has run out of letters!
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    Yeah, I hate that free market thing. You know, where two people enter into a mutual agreement for mutual benefit. Maybe we should come up with some more Federal Regulation.

    If you don't feel like you are benefiting from a transaction, don't do it. That is your discretion. If he doesn't feel like he is benefiting for doing a transfer where he doesn't get a sale for $5 than he won't. He doesn't do business for your sake, and you don't purchase for his. You aren't entitled to a certain price, and he isn't entitled to your business.

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    Well, a free market would dictate that the cost of a service is what someone is willing to pay. I do not own a gun shop, but I can imagine the overhead of running one. Insurance alone must be astronomical. Rents continue to rise, costs of doing business in general continue to rise. Its the same story for everyone who has ever run a business. Buying power from your wholesalers, capital for larger inventory purchases at lower prices... the list goes on.

    So, in a free market... and the optimal word here is "free"... if people are willing to pay $50 for Xfer, then store owners will charge $50. If you advocate fixing the price that a store owner can charge for gun xfer, then do you advocate also fixing the price on other things? Food? Clothing? Its the difference between capitalism and socialism.

    I would bet a new gun shop that burst on to the scene with a $10 xfer fee, would quickly raise that price when their insurance premium was due.
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    I dont blame them one bit... they are not there to transfer your guns in and out on your whim, they are there to sell their own inventory and make money to feed their family.
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    I live in the Minneapolis area, and there are only a couple of gun shops left here (unless you count Gander Mountain or Sportsman's Warehouse). Selling or trading anything is pretty much out of the question, since either of the local guys will offer you pennies on the dollar for what you have, and their used guns are priced at just a few bucks under what they sell the brand new version of the same gun for (all of the used G21s I found locally were $500-$550; I bought a nice 3rd gen G21 at a gun show for $425 out the door). And yes, they charge $50 to recieve a gun that you didn't buy from them.
    All I have to say is, you people here who have access to gun stores worthy of building a relationship with are very lucky; they're a dying breed.
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    Oh yes.. economics... how I love this topic... wait.. no.. i hate it.

    My opinion, and this is my opinion. If you can purchase a gun for $500 online, and the local store sells said gun for $580.. say they got it for $480. There is $100 out of their pocket when they accept that gun for you. I don't know anyone willing to simply give up money, there is no such thing as a free lunch. They can provide a service for you (transfer) and they are going to charge what the feel they can get. The market will support and bear prices.

    Don't doubt, and yes I know it for a fact. Dealers keep their prices close together, and they do talk about 'transfer' fees. My friend who has a fun store is roughly $100-200 cheaper than any store in Denver.. (they aren't in Denver) I usually get it for $20 less than the price they are asking. They still have to make a profit.. it's called business. Don't like it.. run an FFL out of your home. Do transfers for $10. instacheck for $5.. and watch the people roll in... or will they?

    Word will spread that you are doing the things for cheap! What is your inventory like? Are you always going to be home to accept the guns? Where are you going to store them as they start to pile up? How are you going to feel about total strangers coming to YOUR home.. what happens when a criminal finds out and when you're gone.. are you liable for murders commited?

    I have thought about getting an FFL out of my home.. I've weighed the benefits and the risks.. even if I charged $10 and $5.. with the amount of people I would let know, I doubt I would recoup my money in 2 years.

    I have to work.. long guns/hand guns require an adult signature.. I have to work. When am I going to be home to get them? My neighbor certainly can not sign for them..

    There are costs associated with doing business when someone else assumes the risk. I pay for my transfers even though I don't really need to. My friend has a business to run, it takes his time to receive, hold, deal with me calling to see if my items have arrived.. I certainly don't want to take away from their chance for a sale other than mine, and expect to give nothing in return.

    Their store is not a large store, they don't have contracts with several of the mfgs that I like.. I can't purchase from them and they understand that. But I certainly don't expect him to take time from his day for free.. nor would I want to take any 'bread' out of the families mouth simply because I'm a friend... although I do think I purchased some new tires for them recently.

    I have crunched the numbers of an FFL out of my home, and while the convenience would be awesome, if I was home to receive the packages. The cost associated, and the risk involved, it's not worth it.

    I'll pay my $25 transfer, my $5 CBI, and about $10 in gas.. I won't *****.

    Oh and whoever said something about money to throw away.. if you are complaining about $50 in transfer fees... shouldn't you find a much cheaper hobby?
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    Look at it very simply.

    Desired Gross income for you = $50,000/year
    Salary for two assistants @ $25,000 each = $50,000

    Total necessary gross income per year = $100,000/year

    Transfer fee charged $10.00 per transaction.
    Profit per gun sold $25.00 per gun.

    Working days per year = 300

    I'll let you figure out how many per day in what combination you need to handle to break even and don't even worry about the insignificant things like rent, insurance, utilities, taxes, etc.

    But for starters considering transfer fees alone:
    $100,000/$10/300=33 per day or one every 15 minutes.
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