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    Haven Police Ditch Glocks After Two Explode

    Interesting read..

    Two of 90 Glock Model 37 pistols blew up in separate training incidents a year apart.



    PAUL JOHNNSON | THE LEDGER
    PART OF A BRASS SHELL CASING that exploded during target practice is seen above embedded in the magazine of a .45 caliber Glock handgun at the Winter Haven Police Department on Wednesday.


    By Merissa Green
    The Ledger

    WINTER HAVEN | The Police Department is ditching $38,000 worth of guns after two .45-caliber GAP Glock Model 37 pistols exploded in separate training incidents a year a part, causing minor injuries to an officer and a cadet.

    "I've been around 34 years in law enforcement, and we've seen malfunctioning with guns, but never seen it explode," Police Chief Mark LeVine said.

    "When I've got two guns out of 90 mess up, something's wrong."

    The department has not had any problems with the guns during use in the line of duty.

    The force of the explosions came down through the bottom of the guns and blew the triggers off, LeVine said.

    Police Officer Frank Scianimanico, 32, and then-cadet Rodrique Jean-Louis, 20, suffered bruised fingers in the separate incidents.

    As a result, the department will try an all-metal gun as a possible replacement for the plastic Glock during weapons testing Tuesday and March 20.

    LeVine issued a memo Feb. 1 to his officers saying that if anyone was uncomfortable carrying the Glock they could carry a personal weapon instead, as long as the gun meets the department's requirements.

    The department tried to work out a solution with Glock. The gun's Georgia-based manufacturer offered to swap out the nearly 2 1/2-year-old guns if the department paid the company $10,000.

    But LeVine said that is unfair.

    "I personally question if it should cost us anything at all," the chief said.

    A Glock spokesman said the company is aware of the Winter Haven incidents, but hasn't had the opportunity to examine the guns yet.

    "Without looking at the pistol, there's no way for us to make a determination," said Glock spokesman Carlos Guevara.



    FIRST EXPLOSION

    The first incident occurred in January 2007 when a Glock exploded while being used by Jean-Louis, a former cadet the department was sponsoring at the Polk Community College Kenneth C. Thompson Institute of Public Safety, which trains prospective police officers.

    Department officials dismissed the incident as the fault of bad ammunition, and so did Glock.

    The second incident, the one involving Scianiamancio, was this January during training at the department's shooting range at the Winter Haven Airport.

    "We had another explode in the same fashion," LeVine said. "We've only got 90 guns, and two failed. It has caused a certain amount of uneasiness."

    The issue seems to be with the gun, which only Glock makes, LeVine said.

    The Polk County Sheriff's Office uses a different Glock, the .40-caliber Model 22 pistol, but there haven't been any incidents with it, said spokeswoman Carrie Rodgers.

    The Sheriff's Office switched last year to the Glocks after using Smith & Wessons. The Glocks cost the agency $350 per gun, compared with $560 for the .45-caliber Smith & Wessons deputies were using.

    "They're easier to fire, more accurate, and they hold more ammunition," Rodgers said.

    Lake Alfred Police Chief Art Bodenheimer said he would never let his officers use a Glock after he saw a video demonstration of one being partially disassembled after being jammed.

    His officers use Smith & Wessons instead, because it is an all-metal gun, compared to the plastic Glock, he said.

    "I'm not a Glock enthusiast," Bodenheimer said.

    The Winter Haven Police Department isn't the only one that has had problem with Glocks. At least two other law enforcement agencies have reported issues.



    elsewhere in u.s.

    Two .45-caliber Glock Model 21 pistols exploded in the hands of two officers at the Portland Police Department, according to a 2004 article in The Oregonian newspaper. That department then switched to 9 mm Glocks.

    In 2006, The Oregonian reported an officer who was injured when his gun exploded filed a multi-million-dollar lawsuit against Glock and the ammunition manufacturer.

    In Pennsylvania, a training officer with the Upper Darby Township Police Department said his department used to carry the Glock Model 21 before it started jamming.

    The department is now testing a different model of Glock. "We can't get a reason why it keeps happening," he said.

    Guevara said Glock's guns aren't defective, and malfunctioning incidents at other agencies are attributed to ammunition or maintenance of the guns.

    And the fact that the Portland Police Department switched to a different Glock model is an indication of how good Glock guns are, Guevara said.

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    hehe, I see where this thread is going. Me and my XD are headed for the bunker, let me know when its over.
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    Awesome. I made it in time for the show to start.

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    Guevara said Glock's guns aren't defective, and malfunctioning incidents at other agencies are attributed to ammunition or maintenance of the guns.

    And the fact that the Portland Police Department switched to a different Glock model is an indication of how good Glock guns are, Guevara said.
    All of the information is there. Make your own assumptions. I've had one KB in my G17---it was the ammo--apparently a weak case. It blew the mag out of the well and scorched my finger where the mag release cut out is. May also be the case once again of selective media coverage.

    (edit)---from another forum--says what I think
    People blow up all types of guns on occassion. The difference being that if you blow up a Glock, you get instant fame in the internet forums. If you blow up something else, you hide it in your garage and don't tell anyone of the stupid thing you did to make your gun blow up.
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    Well I happen to know something about when the Portland police did the switch up. It was faulty ammunition, and both incidents were within a month of each other with the same lot numbers of .45 ammo.

    Unfortunately, the department knee jerked and sent everyone to 9mm. That meant all the officers who carried .40 s&w had to go to 9mm as well. It was a big mess with officers having to trade in their personally owned weapons for the mandated caliber. The nice thing was that a used Glock in something other than 9mm could be had for around $300 for a while.

    This sounds like another ammo problem to me as well. I have not been a fan of the .45 gap anyway's. I am surprised that a dept. has even gone with it considering it is a less common and more expensive caliber.
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    thanks for the post

    Never had a problem with any of my Glockís, and would suspect an ammo malfunction rather than Glock.

    Iím also not a big fan of magnum type ammo in auto pistols.

    A test by DOD showed that +P+ 9mm ammo fired in the Glock 19 could cause problems of round cycling (1 in 100). Whereas the same ammo in the G17, never ever jammed with the same ammo.

    I am surprised Glock offered to swap out the pistols prior to examining the ammo and pistol.

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    For those of you who said ammo problem...
    MyFox Tampa Bay | Guns explode on Winter Haven officers

    Was it Glock that came out with the GAP round?

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    I never had any trouble with my three glocks ;two 9mm ,40sw.I am not a fan
    of magnum type ammo in pistols that seems to be shared in this forum.I also
    have a sigma that has several thousand rounds through it with no problems.If
    you make and sell enough of a product you are going to have problems a good
    company resolves problems quickly which glock did.I still find interesting how many people still don't understand how strong polymer is comparing it to metal.
    I still must have my metal pistols but need my glocks for carry due to weight factor.It's just a personal preferance.

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    Shoot glock until you can afford a H&K!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dvickery View Post
    For those of you who said ammo problem...
    MyFox Tampa Bay | Guns explode on Winter Haven officers

    Was it Glock that came out with the GAP round?

    dv
    Glock does not make the GAP round though.

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    O.K., I'm not a Glock guy. Never owned one -- don't want to -- it's a personal opinion. That being said, I know LOTS of guys who own them and I've never heard one of them bad-mouth the gun. I've always felt they were well built guns, just didn't feel right to me.

    The one thing I have heard about Glocks is the possible difficulty in reloading for some of them (most often, the 40 S&W is mentioned) because of the Glock not fully supporting the round in the chamber and causing a slight bulge at the base of the case. I'm just wondering if the combination of this plus a slightly overcharged or defective factory round could lead to these failures. I've had several cases split over the years but none have ever damaged the firearm as the chamber contained the gases. In every case, I never even knew there had been a problem until the case was ejected/extracted. Just curious if some of you Glock owners might think the lack of full support to the case may contribute (not be the sole cause) of these failures.

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