Guy points gun at my head - on accident

Guy points gun at my head - on accident

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    Guy points gun at my head - on accident

    First, i'll admit I'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss this.
    Second, I'm not experienced with handguns so I'm probably overly cautious, and I lack the knowledge to work all makes and models. That being said, I never, even in my limited capacity to operate said guns, point them at someone. I'll also stress to you that I practice gun safety as best as I know it. So please comment on all points within this story. I come here to learn from you.

    I asked a guy here at work to show me his .357 since he had it in his truck. He opens the door of the truck, picks the gun up off the seat, lying in plain sight, doors unlocked, and hands me the weapon. This .357 is big, ugly, and dirty. It looked as if he cleaned it with a tube of grease. Honestly, the cylinder looked like it had been packed with ball bearing grease. I'm not sure how to unload this gun, so I tilt it at an angle that I can see down the cylinder, but not so the barrel is pointed at me or anyone else. IT'S LOADED! He just handed me a loaded gun. I'm not comfortable with that at all. I always unload my handguns in front of the person I'm handing it to. And, I always check one to make sure for my self that is not loaded if I'm handed one. (or, i ask the owner to teach me how to use/work the gun properly.)

    At this point I hand the revolver back to the owner because I'm not comfortable holding a .357 grease gun. He takes it, flips a door on the cylinder open and bounces out a cartridge. Bounces is the correct discription of his action. While he bounces his dirty .357 up and down he POINTS IT AT MY FACE.

    I wanted to pistol whip him with is own gun but I didn't want to get my hands greasy again from all the crap on his gun.

    On retrospect I think some of the gunk on his gun was jelly. I saw some open jelly packets on the seat as I ducked, bobbed and weaved out of the way when he bounced the gun up and down while it was pointed at my face.

    I hope this wasn't too long.


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    Gun safty has only four basic rules..........and I believe your experienced enough to realize he broke at least three of 'em. You right in feeling the way you do/did AND for removing yourself from the situation.

    How many "accidental" discharges/deaths have you heard of from careless handeling of firearms?

    Stay safe!
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    I think pistol whipping would have been a good response.

    Pointing a firearm at someone (intentionally or not) is the one of the most aggressive behavior a human being can do to another. If you had not known this guy (and sometimes even if you do know the guy) you would have been entirely justified in defending yourself because his intentions with said firearm are not clear and could certainly be lethal.

    A few good lessons in disarming could be in order and if he's a friend a stern, "POINT THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE!" would certainly be in order.

    Either way he does need to be talked to. If he's that careless about how he handles his firearm then it's reasonable to speculate that someday someone will get hurt.

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    That guy at work, he is a moron.

    He and what you witnessed (improper storage!) and experienced are what antis and Sarah Brady mentally image when the hear the word gun or the term 'citizen carry'.
    People who are and act like him are those who make our lives harder and result in limitation of our freedoms. Them and criminals.
    Further his improper and/or lack of maintenance toward his firearm is equally poor.

    Next time you see that chump ask him if he's a member of the NRA.
    No doubt he'll run off at the mouth about how he's a lifetime member or some such and that the gubment is tryin' to take muh guns...(!).
    Let him run with that for a second then give him on printed paper this detail as located at the NRA website and is printed in some manner on very many NRA sourced documents in part or whole...

    NRA Gun Safety Rules

    The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:



    1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
    This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.



    2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
    When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.




    3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
    Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does.

    When using or storing a gun, always follow these NRA rules:

    * Know your target and what is beyond.
    Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt. Equally important, be aware of the area beyond your target. This means observing your prospective area of fire before you shoot. Never fire in a direction in which there are people or any other potential for mishap. Think first. Shoot second.

    * Know how to use the gun safely.
    Before handling a gun, learn how it operates. Know its basic parts, how to safely open and close the action and remove any ammunition from the gun or magazine. Remember, a gun's mechanical safety device is never foolproof. Nothing can ever replace safe gun handling.

    * Be sure the gun is safe to operate.
    Just like other tools, guns need regular maintenance to remain operable. Regular cleaning and proper storage are a part of the gun's general upkeep. If there is any question concerning a gun's ability to function, a knowledgeable gunsmith should look at it.

    * Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.
    Only BBs, pellets, cartridges or shells designed for a particular gun can be fired safely in that gun. Most guns have the ammunition type stamped on the barrel. Ammunition can be identified by information printed on the box and sometimes stamped on the cartridge. Do not shoot the gun unless you know you have the proper ammunition.

    * Wear eye and ear protection as appropriate.
    Guns are loud and the noise can cause hearing damage. They can also emit debris and hot gas that could cause eye injury. For these reasons, shooting glasses and hearing protectors should be worn by shooters and spectators.

    * Never use alcohol or over-the-counter, prescription or other drugs before or while shooting.
    Alcohol, as well as any other substance likely to impair normal mental or physical bodily functions, must not be used before or while handling or shooting guns.

    * Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.
    Many factors must be considered when deciding where and how to store guns. A person's particular situation will be a major part of the consideration. Dozens of gun storage devices, as well as locking devices that attach directly to the gun, are available. However, mechanical locking devices, like the mechanical safeties built into guns, can fail and should not be used as a substitute for safe gun handling and the observance of all gun safety rules.

    * Be aware that certain types of guns and many shooting activities require additional safety precautions.

    * Cleaning
    Regular cleaning is important in order for your gun to operate correctly and safely. Taking proper care of it will also maintain its value and extend its life. Your gun should be cleaned every time that it is used.

    A gun brought out of prolonged storage should also be cleaned before shooting. Accumulated moisture and dirt, or solidified grease and oil, can prevent the gun from operating properly.

    Before cleaning your gun, make absolutely sure that it is unloaded. The gun's action should be open during the cleaning process. Also, be sure that no ammunition is present in the cleaning area.

    Source - NRA Gun Safety Rules
    This guy, your co-worker, represents a not small contingent of gun owners in America.
    It's a damn shame and is a problem that we all have witnessed atleast once in life be we pro-gun, anti, or indifferent.
    A damn shame.

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    Update - More info.
    This guy just came around to my desk to tell me about his "loads". He told me that with his loads he can put 5 out of 6 shots with in 6 inches at 30 yards in any tree. I'm not a tree specialist, but I'm positive that 6 hollow point .357special 'loads' are gonna kill that tree(s). I'm sure you can figure out how the rest of the conversation went.

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    The subtitle to your post should read "Guy is forcibly disarmed and b***h-slapped, on accident."

    This was not an accident, it was depraved indifference to human life. It sounds like this guy is criminally negligent, and I would stay as far away from him as possible.
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treksouth View Post
    Update - More info.
    This guy just came around to my desk to tell me about his "loads". He told me that with his loads he can put 5 out of 6 shots with in 6 inches at 30 yards in any tree. I'm not a tree specialist, but I'm positive that 6 hollow point .357special 'loads' are gonna kill that tree(s). I'm sure you can figure out how the rest of the conversation went.

    See your problem is that you dont speak redneck,,,, here let me translate for you

    "hey wanna see my big gun"= Im too stupid to store my firearm where it wont get stolen or played with, Um im also too stupid to refrain from playing with it myself. Um thats why I need a big gun to compensate for my um shortcumming.

    "Hey check out my bullets/oh wait got to clean the jelly off them first"

    = What I really want you to do is tell me how cool I am, because I didnt get enough attn in skul, Now if this here pistol was shot by anyone other than me, they couldnt get no 6" group at 30 yards, but I am used to a handling big guns, cause I am a big tough redneck.



    What I suggest you do is this the next time he comes around and starts talking to you about guns just tell him that people like him make it hard on the rest of us gun owners. Now he may ask you to go shooting with him,....

    if he does just say "you have to excuse me I have some pigs to milk"


    any of you real rednecks get offended by my comments just remember if you ever been to a store to buy bullets and they asks ya what caliber and you said "A box of each" YOU MAY BE A REDNECK!

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    Sounds like a dangerous idiot. I would avoid him whenever possible.

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    See your problem is that you dont speak redneck,,,, here let me translate for you

    "hey wanna see my big gun"= Im too stupid to store my firearm where it wont get stolen or played with, Um im also too stupid to refrain from playing with it myself. Um thats why I need a big gun to compensate for my um shortcumming.

    "Hey check out my bullets/oh wait got to clean the jelly off them first"

    = What I really want you to do is tell me how cool I am, because I didnt get enough attn in skul, Now if this here pistol was shot by anyone other than me, they couldnt get no 6" group at 30 yards, but I am used to a handling big guns, cause I am a big tough redneck.
    Nailed it--------REDNECK alert! Time to play keep away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southtexas View Post
    any of you real rednecks get offended by my comments just remember if you ever been to a store to buy bullets and they asks ya what caliber and you said "A box of each" YOU MAY BE A REDNECK!

    i guess im a redneck.

    meanwhile this guy need to be taught firearm saftey, maybe a little "wall to wall counsleing" is in order i'll look for my FM on the subject.
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    LOL! Hey---I'm from Arkansas--folks expect that ya know? I might be a redneck too!

    Here's a pic of me a couple years ago deer huntin'

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    i would suggest anonymously leaving a gun safety manual kind of thing in his car
    you should have been very upset about this
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    I would ask him if he can explain to you the safe gun handlin rules since he is such a firearms expert,I would have a set handy so you could refresh him then point out how blatantly unsafe hs gun handling/weapon storage is and that if he plans on having firearm he needs to be more responsible before he kills somebody that don't need kilt

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    This dude sounds like someone you probably want to stay away from in the future, if possible. He sounds like the type of moron that kills someone with an "unloaded" gun...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    LOL! Hey---I'm from Arkansas--folks expect that ya know? I might be a redneck too!

    Here's a pic of me a couple years ago deer huntin'
    I didn't know the deer got that big in Arkansas. You must be shooting them in Tennessee from Arkansas.
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