Question about Gun Free Zones?

Question about Gun Free Zones?

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    Question Question about Gun Free Zones?

    Iíve been thinking about posted Gun Free Zones and the liabilities they must cause, I know in several states there have been bills introduced to address these liabilities. My question is simple does anyone know of any cases where someone has sued, won or lost over the liabilities? Or of anyone beyond the oblivious, recent school shootings or mall shootings that someone was harmed because he was denied his right to self defense.

    Plus any intelligent and logical arguments that can be used to express our concerns and fallacy that gun free zones are safer. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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    For well-reasoned analysis justified by truckloads of data, check the writings of Don B. Kates, Jr. He has written more, and more eloquently, than most on the subject of the futility of controlling gun violence via the disarmament of victims.

    The following can be found on the internet (PDF's):

    1. Guns and Public Health: Epidemic of Violence or Pandemic of Propaganda? Don B. Kates, Henry E. Schaffer, John K. Lattimer.

    2. Guns, Murders, and the Constitution: A Realistic Assessment of Gun Control. Don B. Kates, Jr.

    3. Most things written by John Lott, including: Crime, Deterrence, and Right-To-Carry Concealed Handguns. John R. Lott, Jr., David B. Mustard.

    As to the viability of lawsuits based on the fact that victim disarmament contributes to the risk, who's to say? I'm unaware of any lawsuits ever brought in this area, though I've never looked.
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    FWIW, Virginia Tech is actively trying to pre-empt such catastrophic losses. Their legal department must feel some legitimate risk.

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    CCW9,

    A person sued a WalMart store several years back in IIRC GA (or maybe it was TN) due to his wife being accosted in their parking lot, abducted, and later murdered. His claim was that WalMart should have provided active security of some means to protect it's customers to which the parking lot was an extension of their store and shopping experience.
    The case was found in his favor.

    I'll try to locate info on it and will come back with an edit.

    Edit:
    I found the following reference covering WalMart in a broad sense with it's well reported if not known criminal victimization amongst it's specific store parking lots, including at page 2 the specific case I referred to above (TN).

    * 'Crime At Wal-Mart: An Introduction To The Issue'
    http://walmartwatch.com/img/document...eAtWalMart.pdf

    Note: This case went to the U.S. Supreme Court (!)

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    I can't find it now, but there was a lady the was in the Taco Bell drive thru, and was shot by a thug customer. She won, because Taco Bell didn't provide enough security for their patrons.
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    Townhall.com::Home::About US is about 10 pages worth of reasons why gun free zones will never work... there was also a thread here a month or so ago...
    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...-responds.html

    as far as liability, so far I don't know of a test case, but I have heard of some states trying to get legislation to make gun free zones liable for protection of it's patrons
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    "My question is simple does anyone know of any cases where someone has sued, won or lost over the liabilities?" I do not think in most states that there is a liability issue incurred if an establishment posts a "no guns" sign. MN tried to have that written into our carry law 5 years ago but had to drop it to get the bill up for a vote. After all the left views the sign as an effective means of deterring crime.
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