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    As I said when this was first posted a few months ago,...

    ...I think this was a setup. Notice how no one except the kids reacted. No one wanted to see if he was hurt. And it's just too convenient for it to happen right after he says he's the only one in the room qualified to handle it.

    I think that what went wrong is he forgot that blanks fire wadding and he didn't take care not to get hit with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangle
    I wonder what would be best for all, to ridicule this man for the rest of his life for making a mistake or try to help him recover and have a life again?
    So your saying if your kid was in that class you would be like, thats OK you had a accident lets put it behind us and move on? If thats the case I feel sorry for you. I wouldn't think that much about it if he wasn't surrounded by kids. IMHO he F'ed up badly and should be ridiculed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grnzbra
    ...I think this was a setup. Notice how no one except the kids reacted. No one wanted to see if he was hurt. And it's just too convenient for it to happen right after he says he's the only one in the room qualified to handle it.

    I think that what went wrong is he forgot that blanks fire wadding and he didn't take care not to get hit with it.
    I hope this is what really happened, other wise he is just a complete doum arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruces45
    ...IMHO he F'ed up badly and should be ridiculed.
    How long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruces45
    ...IMHO he F'ed up badly and should be ridiculed.
    How long?

    There are lots of people who have auto accidents and endanger kids. Why aren't they publicly ridiculed, mocked, and scorned like this man has been?

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    that was "Rasta Narc". they had him on thr a couple of months ago. still kinda funny to watch though. i hope he doesn't hold any safety classes for real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangle
    How long?

    There are lots of people who have auto accidents and endanger kids. Why aren't they publicly ridiculed, mocked, and scorned like this man has been?
    He should be ridaculed for as long as that vid id on the web.
    Post up some of those other AD's and I'll ricacule them too. Why are you so dead set on defending this person?? If this was real(and I sinceraly hope it was staged) why would you defend someone in uniform (police, DEA, whatever) who put children lives in danger??? I'm sorry if I sound mean or what not, but I have no respect for anyone who endangers our future generations, and it pisses me off that someone is defending them, and saying we should just let it go and move on.

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    We should get one thing clear, that was negligence, not an accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangle
    If we apply the same logic to auto accidents, anyone who has an auto accident with self injury and/or injury to someone else, shouldn't be allowed to drive again.
    if they were so assinine as to brag about being the only one qualified to drive a car prior to the accident then theyre too stupid to be driving anyway.

    try to help him recover and have a life again?
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    this clown (putting it lightly) endangered every student.....every child in that room with his stupidity/blatent disregard for proceedure/policy/common sense and you consider him the victim???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangle
    He'll never be the same again.
    i sure hope so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangle
    How long?
    ....to the end of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSkyGuy
    if they were so assinine as to brag about being the only one qualified to drive a car prior to the accident then theyre too stupid to be driving anyway.
    Again the offense seems to be his words more than the accident. There are people that stupid getting into cars everyday, having no idea that they will be involved in an accident that very day because of something stupid.



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    this clown (putting it lightly) endangered every student.....every child in that room with his stupidity/blatent disregard for proceedure/policy/common sense and you consider him the victim???
    There are drunks that drive and kill that don't draw the wrath this man has. Oops, I forgot though, they didn't brag first, so it's not as bad.

    And, no I don't consider him a victim, I consider him a human.

    By insinuating that this would never happen to "me/us" aren't we being just as arrogant as we claim this man was?

    But let me see if I understand this, it is worse because of what he said and then had and accident which hurt no one but himself, than a police trainer that didn't say anything and accidentally killed a fellow officer? You reckon he broke a few rules too?

    Yet look at the difference in attitude toward the too.

    I'll end with this: if you have an accident, car, boat, gun, whatever, is this how you want us to treat you?

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    Tangle, this was not an accident. Accidents are events in which you have no control over the events suurounding or leading to it. If you are driving under the influence and speeding and ram into another vehicle injuring and killing their occupants, you did not have an "accident" you were an irresponsible SOB and you should be treated like crap.


    Negligence:failure to exercise the care that a prudent person usually exercises.
    I know that we have gotten used to the term Accidental Discharge to define a brain gas-passing with a firearm that ends up in an unwanted shot. But in truth what we should call it is what it is: a Negligent Discharge. The DEA agent was negligent. Why? 'cause He did not follow 3 of the 4 rules of Firearms Safety that he is expected to know, specially since he was an "expert" teaching Gun Safety.
    RULE I:
    ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.
    The DEA agent was obviously convinced that the gun was unloaded and was not careful. First violation.

    RULE II:
    NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY.
    The DEA agent had the gun against his thigh. Not very smart and certainly not a move that we expect to see from an "expert". Second violation.

    RULE III:
    KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET.
    The gun did go bang. It was not the Gun Fairy of the Lucky Charms Leprechaum who pull the trigger. Third violation.

    The DEA agent was negligent and people make fun of him because he was cocky and cockiness KILLS when you are dealing with firearms. Although I rather much tell the dumb SOB (in no uncertain terms and with lots of four letter words) that he shouldn't be allowed to carry a pen, much less any kind of firearm.
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    Whether or not the guy is “forgiven” or allowed to be “rehabilitated” is all theoretical because:

    1. A far as I know, none of us know him.
    2. We do not know whether this incident has changed him in regards to gun saftey, his level of arrogance about his abilities, his view on private gun rights, etc, etc.
    3. We are not the decision makers on how this affects his career.

    So to me, this is not a question about if we forgive him, or how long we go on judging him for this incident. Like I said, I have no knowledge of his current state, and I have no power or authority over his current or future career. I am only evaluating this incident in regards to the moment in time that it happened. No more, no less

    So, in regards to the actual incident (and not judging any future consequences) :

    1. He displayed a blatant disregard for gun safety.
    2. He displayed an amazing amount of arrogance, before and after the incident.
    3. He endangered a large group of people, comprised mostly of children
    4. He did all this while in the capacity on an “expert”, so should be held to an even higher standard than a normal person.

    Many good people have severely violated gun saftey. A select few have even had similar circumstances as this. Is it valuable to continue to use this incident as an example of gross negligence? I believe so. Lessons will be learned from it. Will he continue to be used as an example for gun stupidly? Yes. He put himself in that position, by taking on the “expert mantel”, and then severely failing in that regard. If he really changes, I hope he can go on with a productive life. But that does not negate using this incident to learn from. I would think that if he truly changed he would encourage its use, to further promote gun saftey. One of the best chapters in Ted Nugent’s book God, Guns and Rock n Roll is the chapter were he recounts the negligent discharges that he has had. Great learning tools.
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    You have to give the guy credit for continuing for as long as he did. Almost didn't miss a beat.

    I think Tangle has a point. We have a lot of double-standards when it comes to firearms. Some of them are as emotionally irrational as the anti-gunner's double-standards. I'm guilty of it myself.

    Ultimately we are all human and we will all make mistakes - some of them will be serious mistakes. We should expect to pay for them - and part of that payment is the humiliation and embarassment that goes along with it. But hopefully there will those who will help us through it - those who understand that we are after all human and that we have suffered enough to start to work through the aftermath.

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