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    Looks like a Oleg Poster Good stuff though and yes sad but true

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    "Show yourself responsible for a few things and you can be responsible for many." Selah....
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    Man I hate to say this....but speaking as a high school teacher for the last 17 years.....99.999999% of all of the students I have taught (in the 4th largest school district in the nation) over the entire span of my career are both not mature enough to be trusted with such responsibility in a civilian setting AND they're too brainwashed to accept counter instructions and be able to internalize it...even if they wanted to. It usually takes all of a school year to counter the programming in even a tiny fraction of my students who're intelligent enough to have suspicions they've been lied to by nearly everybody. So, barring military duty, I'm afraid I must agree to the age set by law.
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    and she has a problem getting a drink too.
    Stupid rules.

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    Ex - I see your point and it has much merit - I too would be leary of many young folks toting.

    OTOH the problem comes thru the blatent disparity I feel. The major aspect would be - you can fight and die for your country but cannot be permitted to defend your life at home, or take a drink.

    It would seem that a raising of age for service would be the better way to balance the books - giving that extra chunk of time for better maturity in many cases.

    It's a tricky one - there is logic on both sides of the potential argument.
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    i was given my first revolver at age 12.....a single action ruger .22 by my grandfather who knew i was capable of handling it responsibly (certainly times were different back then, but in rural north carolina where i grew up it was acceptable during that era). i inherited my first 1911 at 15 from that same grandfather. oddly enough, my older brother didnt get his first .22 rifle until he was 17 because he didnt demonstrate the maturity and responsibility to be trusted with one before then. my point is that its impossible to determine the right age because people mature differently. being old enough to join the military doesnt automatically make you mature enough to be responsible.

    being old enough to join the military means nothing....actually joining on the other hand, and successfully completing basic/ait is a demonstration of both capability and maturity. i say if youve joined the military and completed basic/ait that you should be allowed to both drink and own handguns. if you havent, wait until 21.

    i know that no plan is perfect and i myself can find fault in it......what if you simply dont trust the current administration under which you would serve, etc? since no plan can be perfect you gotta draw the line somewhere and this one seems about as reasonable as ive ever heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry
    Ex - I see your point and it has much merit - I too would be leary of many young folks toting.

    OTOH the problem comes thru the blatent disparity I feel. The major aspect would be - you can fight and die for your country but cannot be permitted to defend your life at home, or take a drink.

    It would seem that a raising of age for service would be the better way to balance the books - giving that extra chunk of time for better maturity in many cases.

    It's a tricky one - there is logic on both sides of the potential argument.
    Ahhhh see....When I was 18 the drinkin' age WAS 18! I figure that my generation was so plumb wild..well we ruined it for the rest to come.

    The sad fact of the matter is that well....wars have always been fought by the young. They've got the quickest reactions and are easily trained, which is key.....I do think however that any combat veteran should be allowed a CCW no matter if he's 21 or 18.
    Male or female. If they can prove even one combat action, they should have the right. Even our younger soldiers are under the sway of the brainwashing. Combat just strips away the veneer and ages you....quick. I also think this should apply to the survivors of other forms of orchestrated violence. Survivors of deadly force criminal attacks. Survivors of terrorist attacks.....
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    Ex, you raise a valid point. . . to which I raise a question.

    Do you think that they become mature enough in the military so that an exception should be sought for those that are/were in the military?

    I'd be in favor of making military or honorably discharged exempt from the 21 rule, at least for firearms.

    Am I off-base here?

    P.S. I don't think there is any "magic bullet" of maturity at age 21. I was a very responsible person as a teenager and used to chew out some of my schoolhood associates for their stupid behavior. Some never did grow up at all. Don't have a solution that works for all, but strongly feel that the military must instill some sort of maturity and value judgment in those that pass thru it (I've never served, so this is an assumption on my part).

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    While I don't want someone reckless to carry, I think some older folks are just as immature or more than some 18 year olds. Guess the line has to start somewhere. I'd be glad to protect her .lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LenS
    Ex, you raise a valid point. . . to which I raise a question. I don't think there is any "magic bullet" of maturity at age 21. I was a very responsible person as a teenager and used to chew out some of my schoolhood associates for their stupid behavior. Some never did grow up at all. Don't have a solution that works for all, but strongly feel that the military must instill some sort of maturity and value judgment in those that pass thru it (I've never served, so this is an assumption on my part).
    Nothin' "magic" about the age of 21 or 51 for that matter...except in both cases, especially the latter (lol), there is a greater aggregation of experience with life issues. The 21 one year old guy who dates an 18 year old girl is clearly "in control" of the relationship because he has the greater experience and is more used to multitasking issues. There is clearly a greater confluence of life molding experiences that take place between the age of 18 and 21 for young people who leave the nest for the great big world. College, or the military, whatever....if you're out of the house and out of reach of ready rescue by mom and dad you're dealing with real issues and that has to force maturity. I see it every day.
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