Lousy: Teen Shot, Killed In Hunting Accident by Grandfather

Lousy: Teen Shot, Killed In Hunting Accident by Grandfather

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    Lousy: Teen Shot, Killed In Hunting Accident by Grandfather

    Teen Shot, Killed In Hunting Accident - San Antonio News Story - KSAT San Antonio

    LAVACA COUNTY, Texas -- A 14-year-old boy was accidentally shot and killed in a hunting accident by his grandfather, investigators said.

    According to the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office, Taylor Michalec's grandfather said he was walking behind the teen when the trigger on his AK-47 assault rifle snagged a branch and discharged, striking the teen in the back.

    The shooting happened Wednesday afternoon near County Road 290, about five miles west of Moulton, Texas, about 100 miles east of San Antonio.

    Both his father and grandfather tried to administer CPR, but when EMS responders arrived, the teen was pronounced dead. Michalec had just completed his freshman year at Steele High School, where he was a member of the football team.

    Lavaca County investigators said they will not file any charges on the boy's grandfather because the shooting appeared to be an accident.
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    'NRA Hunters Code of Ethics'

    I will obey the rules of safe gun handling and will courteously but firmly insist that others who hunt with me do the same.
    NRA Hunter's Code of Ethics

    In basic hunter ed. one is taught and strongly advised for this _exact_ reason to not carry a loaded arm whilst navigating on foot or by vehicle. All parties in the group should have their arms unloaded and with actions open as they travel.
    Tragic events such as this are completely and quite easily avoidable. :(

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    never walk with a firearm pointed at the guy in front of you,safety apparently was disengaged,
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    Hunting with an AK?? It appears this was an accident waiting to happen and it did...negligence, plain and simple.

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    Hunting with an AK?? It appears this was an accident waiting to happen and it did...negligence, plain and simple.
    Lots of people around here use AK's, AR's and SKS's for deer.
    I dont see that the gun here is the issue. It could have happened with a shotgun or anything else.

    Negligence with any gun can result in death.
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    since I doubt the branch in question both switched off the safety on the AK as well as pulled the trigger, Im assuming he was walking with a chambered round, safety off, with the muzzle pointed at his grandson. Negligence pure and simple.
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    This enraged me. I haven't hunted in years, but I still remember the lessons taught in my hunter's safety course. The first one was DON'T POINT YOUR GUN AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT TO KILL.

    Regardless of whether the safety was off or he was travelling with the round chambered, which are also no-no's, he had it pointed at his grandson. This is what happens when people get overconfident and start getting lazy. This guy should have had enough experience to have known better. Arrrrggghhh!

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    Agreed HG...the gun is not the issue.

    Nor is it that the safety was off or whatever.
    The issue was following basic hunter safety practices.
    You do not track or trail with a loaded firearm, even if you are alone or in a group walking as point.
    All firearms should be unloaded and all actions should be kept in the open position. Kept and carried that way until ready for immediate use.

    This was completely avoidable as all within the party, not just grandpa, should have been looking out for each other to be sure they were safe for concern of their own personal safety.
    You're only as safe as your least safe persons practices.


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    Taught rifle safety for two summers as an NRA certified riflery instructor. Unbelievable.

    "Never point your rifle at anything you don't want to kill or destroy. Always point your rifle in a safe direction...."

    Unbelievable. Tragic and stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Lots of people around here use AK's, AR's and SKS's for deer.
    I dont see that the gun here is the issue. It could have happened with a shotgun or anything else.

    Negligence with any gun can result in death.
    Agreed!
    I also doubt it was an 'assault rifle'.
    Pure negligence........................... how sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Agreed HG...the gun is not the issue.

    Nor is it that the safety was off or whatever.
    The issue was following basic hunter safety practices.
    You do not track or trail with a loaded firearm, even if you are alone or in a group walking as point.
    All firearms should be unloaded and all actions should be kept in the open position. Kept and carried that way until ready for immediate use.

    This was completely avoidable as all within the party, not just grandpa, should have been looking out for each other to be sure they were safe for concern of their own personal safety.
    You're only as safe as your least safe persons practices.


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    I disagree with tracking and hunting with an unloaded weapon if you are deer hunting a deer will bolt at the sound of a round being chambered,and what about pheasant/quail hunting where you line up and walk an open field with loaded shotguns.They broke the main rules of gun safety,keep your weapon pointed in a safe direction and carry with safety on,only time I unload when hunting is when I cross an obstacle like a fence or creek where you might lose you're balance or the gun fall over.
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    No season for any game animal right now. Probably coyotes or hogs, remote chance a mountain lion.

    If you are stalking or tracking hogs you need to have a round chambered in case you frighten a boar or a sow with piglets or it is wounded and it charges.

    But just as in hunting for doves or quail, always keep your safety on until ready to fire and keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

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    If it was an assault rifle, more than one shot would have fired. A burst would have come out.

    It was simply a Semi Automatic Rifle in 7.62X 39

    The thing that gets me is that the safety lever on an AK design is incredibly easy to put on and off while your shouldering the gun. It makes no sense to walk with it off. It, quite frankly, makes an excellent Hog gun for that reason. Lots of ammo and an easy on off safety.

    Negligence is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I disagree with tracking and hunting with an unloaded weapon if you are deer hunting a deer will bolt at the sound of a round being chambered,and what about pheasant/quail hunting where you line up and walk an open field with loaded shotguns.They broke the main rules of gun safety,keep your weapon pointed in a safe direction and carry with safety on,only time I unload when hunting is when I cross an obstacle like a fence or creek where you might lose you're balance or the gun fall over.
    Duk,

    Actively in the "hunt" is not at all the same as "tracking" or navigating "trail" to get to a point to hunt be it on the ground or from a stand.
    Also who hunts deer whilst walking...making noise...amongst a party...and them located in front of you?

    The main rule of hunter safety is to not carry while loaded and to keep the action clear and open, whilst crossing any ground fences and water hazzards inclusive.

    As to hunting winged animals the same rule applies, untill you are within the area of intent and actively in the hunt.
    At that time your party fans out in a line on the horizontal shoulder to shoulder, not the vertical staked front to back, or into an inverted V formation always being sure in either condition to give good spacing by matter of tens of feet if not yards between each man and to not cross each others zone of fire. All of this and more is covered in a modern basic hunters education course.

    See the linked instruction video I provided from IHEA for the exact same statement of advisory toward hunter safety.

    Additional information toward same can be found via...

    Online Course - International Hunter Education Association
    Online Courses - IHEA (Available in English or Spanish)

    Online Course - 'The Remington Guide to Shooting & Hunting Safety'
    http://www.remington.com/safety/onli...es/remopen.asp

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    I got into this per invitation by multiple instructors from both courses and by a program director to apply and do so last year.
    Further I'm a MA certified and licensed trapper working on extended level certification toward their Problem Animal Control (PAC) agent licensing.

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    Safety before stalking or traveling is what prevents terrible incidents like this from occurring. If you wind up missing a chance opportunity whilst traveling, and not actively hunting, then you've missed it at the expense of being safe rather than unsafe.

    Even as he the guns mechanical safety might have been on at one time it's very much possible and does happen that while traveling amongst and through brush or simply being handled the safety may have been accidentally or inadvertently switched off by man or flora. Man continues to travel and then BOOM as a twig, brush, or vine entangles the trigger and causes an unexpected and and unintended but negligent discharge.
    The action being open and the firearm being unloaded is what is advised and is safest to which in this case would have resulted in no one not going home alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I disagree with tracking and hunting with an unloaded weapon if you are deer hunting a deer will bolt at the sound of a round being chambered,and what about pheasant/quail hunting where you line up and walk an open field with loaded shotguns.They broke the main rules of gun safety,keep your weapon pointed in a safe direction and carry with safety on,only time I unload when hunting is when I cross an obstacle like a fence or creek where you might lose you're balance or the gun fall over.
    Agreed Dukal. I never agreed with that nonsense concept of carrying an unloaded firearm hunting or not. It does at least two things(IMO), by re-enforcing bad habits:

    1. Hunter JoeBlow carries the same unloaded rifle on every hunting trip for 15 years. 16 years in he "accidentally" points the "dangerous end" toward a fellow hunter, but says to himself..."no worries, it's unloaded"...repeat bad habit x number of times.
    2. Same said hunter gets himself dead when attacked by mountain lion while tracking his already shot game. Can't defend himself because he's too busy fuddling with the bolt trying to get it loaded while amped up on adrenaline.


    The simple fact is the dingbat had a firearm pointed at someone when it shouldn't have been.
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