Going to shooting range with a record

Going to shooting range with a record

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    Going to shooting range with a record

    I have a friend (and no it is not me, it is actually a relative) that wants to go to the shooting range with my wife and I. Unfortunately, they got into some trouble a while back and they now have a felony. I know it is illegal for him to own a firearm or ever get a CCW, but can they go to a shooting range and fire a rental or my gun?

    We have not gone yet, but the discussion came up and I don't want to be liable in anyway for letting someone with a record use my gun, even in a controlled environment. Plus, I don't want him to get into any trouble if something off the wall happened.

    I've searched all over the web and have not found anything definitive on this matter, only about possession of a firearm.

    Thanks in advance for any feedback.


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    Quote Originally Posted by deadeye72 View Post
    If he holds it in his hands, it is possession.
    I see. Ok, thanks for the quick response. Much appreciated.

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    It varies from state to state. Possession is a mine field and can be loosely defined at the convenience of the prosecutor. Your friend may be considered "in possession" if he is in the same house where a gun is stored and he knows it. Check your state law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkpeppard View Post
    I have a friend (and no it is not me, it is actually a relative) that wants to go to the shooting range with my wife and I. Unfortunately, they got into some trouble a while back and they now have a felony. I know it is illegal for him to own a firearm or ever get a CCW, but can they go to a shooting range and fire a rental or my gun?

    We have not gone yet, but the discussion came up and I don't want to be liable in anyway for letting someone with a record use my gun, even in a controlled environment. Plus, I don't want him to get into any trouble if something off the wall happened.

    I've searched all over the web and have not found anything definitive on this matter, only about possession of a firearm.

    Thanks in advance for any feedback.

    Great question that I had never considered......

    Have you read the actual CO statutes yet? All I have is FL, and they indicate that in Florida, a convicted felon may not "own or have in his or her care, custody, possession, or control any firearm, ammunition, or electric weapon or device...."

    CO may read differently, but this layman's reading of the FL statute would lead me to believe that a convicted felon wouldn't even be allowed to fire a gun at a range in Florida.

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    Yeah I wouldn't

    As to the All states are different comment.....UMMM 4473 is a Federal Document. State law can not change Federal Law. If you specifically answer that question about "felonies", I believe you are barred from possessing a firearm. IMO your friend is SOL, and if you physically give him a gun thats transferring a gun to a felon therefor you might be SOL as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David in FL View Post
    Great question that I had never considered......

    Have you read the actual CO statutes yet? All I have is FL, and they indicate that in Florida, a convicted felon may not "own or have in his or her care, custody, possession, or control any firearm, ammunition, or electric weapon or device...."

    CO may read differently, but this layman's reading of the FL statute would lead me to believe that a convicted felon wouldn't even be allowed to fire a gun at a range in Florida.
    Thanks for the info. Like I said, I definitely don't want to get him or our ourselves into trouble.

    I'll see what I can find for CO statutes.

    Think I may have found it for Colorado:
    Colorado Bureau of Investigation

    "Possession" means actual or physical control over a firearm and is a question of fact for the jury. People v. Rivera, 765 P.2d 624 (Colo. App. 1988)."
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    And YOU'RE aiding a felon. Too bad for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    Yeah I wouldn't

    As to the All states are different comment.....UMMM 4473 is a Federal Document. State law can not change Federal Law. If you specifically answer that question about "felonies", I believe you are barred from possessing a firearm. IMO your friend is SOL, and if you physically give him a gun thats transferring a gun to a felon therefor you might be SOL as well.
    Ditto, +1, and all that.

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    Your friend, like everyone else, has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to expunge something from his record... I think he might could get that felony removed...

    Might want to look into that first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalCompact View Post
    Your friend, like everyone else, has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to expunge something from his record... I think he might could get that felony removed...

    Might want to look into that first.
    Really? Hmm. Ok. I will relay that to him. I wonder where you even start with something like that.
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    Likely your state's attorney general's office. At least they would point you in the right direction.

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    Thanks for all the info.
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    Every rental/member range I have ever been to requires a form be filled out indicating ones background and allowance to _possess_ a firearm prior to using their facilities. One of the questions always asked is do you have a felony.
    If so and you indicate yes then that is an automatic disqualifier.

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