Boo Hoo...Glocks don't fit my hands.

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    Boo Hoo...Glocks don't fit my hands.

    tell that to this 11-year-old, 80 lb. girl who went through Tactical Response's Fighting Pistol class in Vegas several months ago.

    YouTube - McKenzie - 11yo Girl at Shooting Range #2 of #3

    YouTube - McKenzie - 11yo Girl at Shooting Range #1 of #3

    and one from later in the day, or perhaps the next day (notice how much smoother her tap-rack, and reloads are and how much better she's controlling the recoil.)

    YouTube - McKenzie - 11yo Girl at Shooting Range #3 of #3
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    LOL, I always thought it was a bit silly to cry about a certain gun not "fitting" your hand. Adapt and overcome... flame on!

    Also, that girl really needs to stop ending the drills Cagney and Lacey style... it will get her hurt some day. Otherwise, its really neat to see such a youngin on the range.
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    How is she getting so many stopages? Are these planned or is she limp wristing?
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    In that class, you're required to load at least one dummy-round in each magazine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Also, that girl really needs to stop ending the drills Cagney and Lacey style... it will get her hurt some day.
    Evidently, that school teaches that way. This is from one of the youtube comments for video #1:

    The reason Tactical Response gives for not teaching the low-ready while scanning is that, according to extensive research, when the gun/hands point down the head/eyes tend to point down. Always keep your head up!

    I'll admit that I was a little reluctant to do the muzzle-high Stanford Scan the first time at Tactical Response, but once you do it a few hundred times you realize that it is both effective and safe.
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    They shouldn't be teaching low ready either. The threat isn't going to be coming out of the ground or from the sky... Tuck that bad boy in, but keep it pointed down range. That way your safe, proper weapon retention is maintained, the pistol is still in play and you can do what ever it is that needs doing. When in combat, there is no "low ready" and the ole Cagney and Lacey is for 80's T.V. shows.
    I can strip that pistol from anyone in the Cagney and Lacey stance, most people could too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    How is she getting so many stopages? Are these planned or is she limp wristing?
    Because the pistol doesn't fit her.
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    Here's my neighbor's 13 yo with his G22 duty weapon.....
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    and here she is with daddy's 9mm colt carbine, SRT issue.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    They shouldn't be teaching low ready either. The threat isn't going to be coming out of the ground or from the sky... Tuck that bad boy in, but keep it pointed down range. That way your safe, proper weapon retention is maintained, the pistol is still in play and you can do what ever it is that needs doing. When in combat, there is no "low ready" and the ole Cagney and Lacey is for 80's T.V. shows.
    I can strip that pistol from anyone in the Cagney and Lacey stance, most people could too.
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    rethinking my choices for my niece's first trip to range - I'm going to take a broader range of ammo / pistols with me - love those videos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    How is she getting so many stopages? Are these planned or is she limp wristing?
    It's the grip angle, guys. Everyone knows that a pistol is pretty much worthless unless it has the same grip angle as a 1911
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    Little Miss McKenzi did a great job though all three ranges.....I also just realized she did better than most of the sailors I see at our range during quals.
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    I just found this over at Georgia packing.org, here's Miss McKenzi with an AR-15........
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    She's good
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    Never did like the fit of a mini-Glock in my hand. It takes both, to control it reasonably. The G19 fits reasonably well, though the circumference of the grip is simply too big. Funny, but my CZ P-01 is nearly as large, but it grips exceedingly well, in the hand. (Would do so even better with checkering on the front strap, instead of the silly vertical grooves CZ puts in there.) By comparison, the Kahr K9 is a dream, fit-wise. Unsurprising she's commenting on the size. And I'm sure she wouldn't be grousing if needing to manage a defensive situation. None here would, either.
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    Besides the fundamental nature of eyes-muzzle-target of the gun up scan, if you're going to teach and practice a 360 scan on a crowded range, low ready is going to sweep someone's legs/feet eventually.

    I can tell you though, if I were RO'ing a bunch of folks of differing experience levels doing that scan all day, I'd definitely need a stiff drink at the end of the day! Some "Just for Men" hair dye go cover up all the fresh grey as well!

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