Open Carry... And Loving It

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    Open Carry... And Loving It

    "Could I ride MARTA to work, during rush hour, with a gun on my waist, without alarming passengers or earning a possibly unpleasant chat with MARTA police? At 8 a.m. on a Thursday, I clipped my Beretta to my belt at the Edgewood-Candler Park station. I had decided to carry the Beretta because it's about 2.5 times the size of my .38 revolver. You can't help but see it. With my Breeze Card in hand – and my gun permit and driver's license in my left pocket, intentionally opposite the holster in case I had to produce them for MARTA police – I took the escalator into the station. I passed four people along the way. No reaction. At the passenger gate, I passed a woman who appeared to be in a MARTA uniform. "Good morning," she said, without glancing at my gun. I waited on the platform, with a dozen or so people, and even stood in the middle of the crowd so the most people could see me. Nothing."

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    Gun-toting in Georgia

    How I learned to stop worrying and love carrying my gun

    Published 07.30.08By Andisheh Nouraeeen

    If you intend to rob me, stab me or punch me in the neck because you think I looked at you funny, I recommend you glance at my waist before lifting the pull tab on that can of whoop-ass.

    I may be carrying a handgun.

    Nearly everyone in our state can legally keep guns in their home. I am one of the few, the proud, the Georgia Firearms Licensed – one of a reported 300,000 Georgians permitted to carry a gun in public.

    Unlike the 9.2 million-or-so Peach Staters who do not possess firearms licenses, I'm legally permitted to carry a gun pretty much everywhere I go – walking my dogs, sipping a latte at my neighborhood coffee shop, buying deodorant at Target.

    Firearms licenses are easy to get in Georgia. All you need is a clean criminal record, about $40 and a couple of hours to spend at your county's probate court.

    If you're married, you may already be familiar with probate court. It's also the place that issues marriage licenses. In fact, when you call the Fulton County Probate Court the recorded message actually says "For information about marriage licenses, please press one. For information about firearms licenses, please press two." Romantic, eh?

    I got my gun license a year and a half ago after I was relieved of my wallet at gunpoint at my front door by a man who threatened to come back for me if I cancelled my ATM and credit cards.

    Since he was clearly comfortable dropping by the house unannounced, police told me to take the threat seriously by carrying a gun myself.

    I've had handguns for target shooting=2 0since I was a kid, but never carried one for self-defense. After the robbery, I applied for a permit so I could carry a gun without breaking the law. And even before the license arrived, I started to carry my gun from my driveway to my front door, which is legal; I was scared the guy would keep his promise and come back for me.

    As it turned out he was arrested a couple of weeks later, pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

    When my permit arrived in the mail, I stuck it in my wallet and pretty much forgot about it. I didn't start carrying a weapon. He was in jail and I moved to a less transitional neighborhood. I felt safe again.

    Nearly everyone I spend time with regularly has a visceral and fearful reaction to guns. Having so many gun-dreading friends and acquaintances has taught me to keep guns where no one will ever see them. Carrying a gun in public seemed like peeing in the sink of a public restroom. Not illegal, but definitely a first-degree jerk move.

    I was also afraid of the reaction of strangers. I would hate to be the subject of this 911 call: "Hello, police, I'm at the Publix on North Decatur Road and there's a swarthy bald man here with a gun. He's headed for the Lean Cuisine."

    So, although I had a permit, I was less than thrilled that the General Assembly passed H.B. 89 in April. The new law would give licensed firearms permit holders the right to legally carry guns into places that used to be off-limits: city and state parks, public transportation, and restaurants that serve alcohol.

    It seemed to me that the law encouraged colossal dickheadedness by legalizing behavior – carrying guns openly in public – that makes people nervous.

    Under the new law, I could now legally take my gun into a restaurant that served alcohol – which includes places many consider bars, such as the Earl or Manuel's Tavern. I could Rollerblade in Piedmont Park while packing heat. I could even take a gun on MARTA.

    Imagine if someone with a firearms license walked onto a MARTA train with a shotgun. He couldn't be arrested, even though someone can be ticketed for eating on a train.

    "So I just want to be clear," I asked MARTA police Chief Wanda Dunham. "If I had a turkey sandwich in one hand and a gun in the other hand, MARTA police would ticket me for the turkey sandwich?"

    "If you're eating it," she replied. "Only if you're eating it."

    Someone with a permit can board a MARTA train with a shotgun?

    "That's what the law says," she replied. Then, with sarcasm, she adds, "It just gives you that warm fuzzy feeling."

    The law, which was passed in the last hours of the Legislature, drew sharp criticism from anti-gun organizations. Brian Siebel, senior attorney at the Brady Center to Prev ent Gun Violence, says there will likely be more violence at places guns were once prohibited.

    He points out that Timothy McVeigh and Cho Seung-Hui, the Virginia Tech killer, both would have qualified for a firearm's license that allows you to carry a gun openly. "Just because you get a driver's license doesn't mean you're a good driver," he says. "People who engage in road rage probably all have a driver's license."

    The Georgia Restaurant Association lobbied against the law, even though it prohibits people with guns from consuming alcohol in a restaurant. The restaurateurs argued that it's impossible to determine whether someone drinking alcohol is also carrying a concealed weapon. "We didn't want the bill to pass," Keisha Carter, the association's director of public affairs, says. "Asking if you're 21 and if you have a concealed weapon should not be a responsibility of anyone in this industry."

    On July 1, the day the law went into effect, there was a showdown of sorts.

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    I thoroughly enjoyed that article.

    I was in a bike shop yesterday with my 1911 in a SERPA. I was in there 30 minutes with him when the keep and I were kneeling looking at a trunk and his eyes got big and he said "You know that hammer is back!?!?" Later he asked "what kind of work do you do?" I responded that I wait tables. He said "Wait tables and carry that thing?! That's awesome!"
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    Don't you open-carry guys worry about losing control of your weapon? Having someone trying to wrestle my gun away from me would be my #1 concern if I ever tried it.

    I was at a restaurant once where a group of people were open carrying, and I couldn't help but notice that pretty much every one of them was using an open-top holster of some sort. Hmm.
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    Don't you open-carry guys worry about losing control of your weapon? Having someone trying to wrestle my gun away from me would be my #1 concern if I ever tried it.

    Nope, I don't. No more than I worry about getting robbed out and about on the streets. Seems like an idiot move to pick on someone openly displaying his ability to kill you from any realistic distance doesn't it?

    I don't open carry often, but when I do, I'm not the least worried someone is going to go for the gun. I keep my elbow close on the gun when in close proximity to others naturally.

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    I'm hoping for the day that open carry comes back to Florida. It would be just another option in my arsenal of defensive measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packin45 View Post
    Don't you open-carry guys worry about losing control of your weapon? Having someone trying to wrestle my gun away from me would be my #1 concern if I ever tried it.

    I was at a restaurant once where a group of people were open carrying, and I couldn't help but notice that pretty much every one of them was using an open-top holster of some sort. Hmm.
    Most of the people I meet while carrying don't notice anything. And I carry openly all the time. Those who do happen to be more observant are usually very respectful and full of questions. Mostly it's "Wow, that looks like a gun!" Once I explain that it IS a gun the next question is usually "Can I see it?"

    Other than that I have no problems or worries that someone is going to try to take my weapon away from me. I think that it's because I am situationally aware. And most people probably think that if I'm armed that must mean that I know how, and am willing to use, the weapon I'm carrying. In short, most people leave the guy with the gun alone because he's rarely in a position where his gun is vulnerable and if they try anyway they could get shot.

    If open carry is legal in your jurisdiction, I would suggest you try it. It is amazing how comfortable you can get while still being totally aware of the law and its restrictions/limits. You will learn a lot more about carrying a firearm and the responsibilities that go with it than you ever thought you would.

    But...

    DO NOT EVER "forget" you are carrying. "Oops"just doesn't cut it.

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    I thoroughly enjoyed that article.
    Ditto, +1..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    Seems like an idiot move to pick on someone openly displaying his ability to kill you from any realistic distance doesn't it?
    Just because you have a gun openly carried in a holster doesn't mean you have the ability to use it effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packin45 View Post
    Don't you open-carry guys worry about losing control of your weapon? Having someone trying to wrestle my gun away from me would be my #1 concern if I ever tried it.
    a good holster negates that issue; i use a blackhawk holster with SERPA retention. also, if you're going to OC, having some sort of retention training against gun grabs is in order.

    there are plenty of holster that provide security, and, honestly, how many thugs out there do you think could figure them out with a passing glance?

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    I OC from time to time and no I do not worry about losing control of my handgun. That is why one keeps tabs of what is going on around them, either OC or CC.
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    I started OCing on occasion recently. I still CC mostly and in large, crowded places, I'm not comfortable with OC. My experiences with other's reactions pretty much mirrors the author of the article. No obvious reactions by anyone, no comments or stares. Because of when and where I choose to OC and the traing I've had, I don't worry about too much about a gun grab. OCing isn't for everyone and it's not for me all the time but it sure is comfortable when it's 90° outside.

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    Just because you have a gun openly carried in a holster doesn't mean you have the ability to use it effectively.

    Oh, I totally agree.

    Who'd like to be the first person to find out, is the question they have to ask themselves.

    And lets not forget, because that same person conceals it doesn't mean they then have that ability either. If you don't have the ability to use it effectively, you don't have that ability. Open carrying that hogleg doesn't make you less or more effective, but it does give the BG food for thought you might be able to when he can readily see it on your person.

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    Since LEOs with retention holsters sometimes are shot with their own guns, at least that is what I read, it would seem to be relatively easy for two or more guys to take a gun from one who was OC.

    When in a store, or a parking lot many other people are there also. You cannot watch everyone, and there is no way that you can prevent someone from getting close to you unless you play the rabbit and run when someone is heading your way.

    In my view it accomplishes nothing to OC and puts you at greater risk to have your gun snatched. Blending into the crowd with CC is much better.

    However, if it makes you feel good then go to it.

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