ATF: Most illegal guns in Mexico come from US

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    ATF: Most illegal guns in Mexico come from US

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    ATF: Most illegal guns in Mexico come from US
    Aug. 11, 2008 03:56 PM
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    EL PASO - Nearly all illegal guns seized in Mexico come from the United States, the head of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said Monday.

    ATF acting director Michael Sullivan said investigators have traced 90 to 95 percent of the weapons found in Mexico to the U.S. Generally, only law-enforcement officers or military personnel can legally possess guns in Mexico.

    Sullivan, speaking at the fifth annual Border Security Conference at the University of Texas at El Paso, said the weapons are being traced as part of an effort by the U.S. and Mexico to stop the illegal flow of guns south.

    "In Mexico, investigators have provided some tremendous leads ... to weapons trafficking organizations," Sullivan said.

    One bust came in May, when the owner of a Phoenix gun shop was arrested on charges that he knowingly sold hundreds of weapons to "straw purchasers" who funneled the weapons to violent drug cartels in Mexico. Two Mexican men accused of helping to set up the sales also were arrested.

    Many of the weapons being found in Mexico have been traced to smuggling points in Southern California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico, Sullivan said. But he added that weapons are being traced to sellers in "virtually every state, as far north as Washington state."

    Sullivan said recent successes in tracking guns thought to be fueling an increasingly violent drug cartel war are attributed to an "e-trace" system that allows officials on both sides of the border to quickly track weapons.

    "Tracing where these weapons are from is critical in the early stages," Sullivan said.

    The weapons tracking program is only part of the U.S. effort to help curb drug violence in Mexico and in the U.S., Sullivan said.

    FBI Director Robert Mueller, who also spoke at the border conference Monday, said the FBI is working directly with Mexican officials as part of an anti-kidnapping effort in Laredo and Nuevo Laredo. His agency has also developed a task force to focus on the "very few law enforcement officials who assist drug cartels" in the U.S., as well as helping curb the growth of prison gangs such as the Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13.

    "We have slowed drug trafficking, tracked down violent fugitives and rescued kidnapping victims," Mueller said.
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    Maybe we should trade them their Mexicans back for our guns!
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    That aint hard to figure, it aint exactly rocket surgery.
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    I could be completely UN-PC and paraphrase an observation that most illegals in the US are from Mexico...
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    ATF acting director Michael Sullivan said investigators have traced 90 to 95 percent of the weapons found in Mexico to the U.S.

    What a coincidence. I'll bet that if someone tried, they could trace 90 to 95 percent of the illegal aliens here in the U.S. to Mexico.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P7fanatic View Post
    What a coincidence. I'll bet that if someone tried, they could trace 90 to 95 percent of the illegal aliens here in the U.S. to Mexico.

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    Sounds like they need a gun ban!

    Oh wait....

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    Most illegals and drugs come from Mexico!

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    ATF: Most illegal aliens in the US come from Mexico

    I just had to say it again. This was the first thought that came in my mind.
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    No duh. You think maybe they stole them there guns that ended up back in Mexico? Well do ya Michael Sullivan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    Maybe we should trade them their Mexicans back for our guns!
    Amen!!! I'll do a 10 to 1 deal on that one!! I'll give them a gun if they promise to go back and never return!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    Sounds like they need a gun ban!

    Oh wait....
    ...or an "illegally crossing the border ban"....
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    In mexico, all guns are illegal unless you are well connected.

    No surprise here.
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    Sounds like a fair trade.

    They ship us the illegal aliens and we ship the guns to the masses in Mexico that are waiting in line the way they should to become Americans, and then when they do they are already strapped like a proper American should.

    (Not that I am advocating illegal gun running, but I can see a case for it.)

    Now that I say that, what about illegals running from guns? I'm just thinking...
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    the headline should be "most guns in Mexico are illegal" Mexico's list of "legal guns" is small.I think any gun that fires a " military round" is illegal. also,Mexico not really a hot bet of manufacturing for S&W,Colt, FN,CZ,ect. so if you want a gun, chances are it's gonna be illegal. jwr

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