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I'll open pandora's box...I too have wondered the same thing at times. I'm all for CC and the reasons so...but there are times I suspect some buy an AK for the novelty, and never shoot it. Or call it home defense, but can never get to it for such. Perhaps it is a fear (paranoia?) of the world going Red Dawn. Regardless...of all the AKers out there...how many examples of it being used in self defense?
There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.
Who is John Galt?
Because a weak assault rifle doesn't do the job.
Because the wife has dibs on the shotgun. (this is true for me)
Because I never won the lottery, but have lost lots of keys.
Over 1 billion people, and armies of 3 continents cannot be wrong.
Ignorance such as yours is protection from everything except reality.
If you are married. (At least this would be my answer, adjust accordingly)
Some time ago I swore an oath, to honor and protect my family. That oath is not mere words or poetry, nor is it made in front of mere men, but unto a higher power and in his name. I sincerly hope that this world is as you see it, and that I never will be forced to take up arms and injure another human being in the defense of those that I cherish. The taking of anothers life is never a game or a joke, for not only does it cut off everything that person is, but also everything they could ever be. I too wish to live in a world that weapons are no longer needed.
However, it cannot be denied that this world is a dangerous place that is sometimes filled with violence. There are people out there whose entire mission in life is to harm others, without cause or reason. How many people were killed in Virginia Tech? How many have died in the malls, or delivering pizza or walking their pets? My vows demand that I fullfill them by whatever means necessary.
To suffer though the ordeal of coming home to see my wife beaten, raped or killed, to have my unborn child's life cut short just because it wasn't likely to ever happen in a million years would be worse than the torment of a thousand hells. A torment that I would endure until the end of my days. Not because it happened, but I had the chance not just today, but for a thousand days before to prepare for this unlikely occurance and prevent it from happening. I had those chances and countless others to say that me and mine will not go quietly into that dark night. That there are still people in this world willing to fight evil, and turn back the tide, that there is hope for a better future than what we see now.
I am not strong enough to survive the ordeal of losing my loved ones, nor am I strong enough to prevent it if one were to try and claim their lives. Not without tools. The AK47, or any other weapon are the tools I own and hope to never have to use. Just like my fire extinquisher or my life insurance.
In short as Tokien once wrote.Those tools help defend my family, and that is all I can do.I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend”
Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.
I also remember a story in the American Rifleman Magazine about a kid trying to leave Louisiana who after getting enough supplies to get out of town he fought his way to his truck with a AK with one of those Chinese drum mags.
I'm not trying to attack you personally but the true meaning of the Second Amendment basically is that the civilian people control guns capable of fending off a invader and or \ overthrowing our own government if need be. Now all and all if you out assault rifles/ machine guns the police/military have you way out gunned. Thus undermining the true meaning of the RTKBA.
Believe me I believe in reasonable gun laws.
I.E. It is reasonable for me to pay True Market value for a Fully auto submachine gun from IMI, UZI, Colt, etc... Because the police are spending 8-1000 on full auto stuff vs what we pay is unreasonable for me to have to pay $25,000 for a semi good condition MP-5 built in 1980.
I think a lot of people fall into the same way of thinking about nobody should own an AK because its an AK. Well those same people in my opinion don't really understand what the right to keep and bear arms is really all about. And if you truely believe that you can give a mouse a cookie and expect him to not ask for the whole bag latter then do I have news for you. Giving them a "Reasonable Gun Bill" i.e. ban Assault rifles. Your .308 model 700 deer rifle is next on the list because, two years down the road it is an evil sniper gun that can kill from long ranges. Just look at what their trying to do with the .50 caliber right now.
The AWB thing is strictly a fear of capabilities and to strip you of your fundamental freedoms. America already has over 50,000 laws on the books concerning firearms. We don't need to ban anything else. If we truely want to fix societies issues of criminal activity we need to do something else. I.E. Make the 2nd amendment the true carry permit and let people choose for themselves, not to have to ask permission to carry, and after an area starts getting shot up you will see the people get fed up with it and fix the problem.
Sorry for the rant and the slight turn off topic.
Would a "lesser" weapon be sufficient for you, generally? Absolutely. But then, here's the thing: how will you know, until you know?
I like the fact that there is an unknown number of battle rifles in the homes/hands of ordinary citizens. To me that unknown factor is a deterrent for home invasion, burglary, etc. So I think those AK's helps stabilize the safety of my community.
Helpful hints on pushing back and strengthening the 2A:
"Lexington & Concord" sends chills up my spine... in sort of a manner of pride.
The preceding post may contain sarcasm; it's just better that way. However, it is still intended with construction and with the Love of my L-rd Y'shua.
NRA Certified Pistol Instructor, World Drifter
Rob...I'm not challenging you (or anybody else) the right to own an AK, but do reserve the right to challenge the logic used to own an AK. Personally, for self-defense in large group situations...I'd rather own a shotgun.
There are many SHTF situation where the AK would be nice. How many guns could a person carry if SHTF. I would think around 3 rifles would be a reasonable max. So even then, I'm not sure an AK-47 would be my choice.
None of that is the reason. As someone pointed out about Golf. Some people buy clubs more expensive then a pro would carry. It is a hobby.
Take him out to shoot the doggoned thing.
If that doesn't work, no amount of logic will, so give up thereafter.
"...bad decisions that turn out well often make heroes."
Gary D. Mitchell, A Sniper's Journey: The Truth About the Man and the Rifle, P. 103, NAL Caliber books, 2006, 1st Ed.
But IMHO there is a reasoning behing everything. For that reason our military does not issue shotguns as the primary defensive/offensive tool.
Heres the way I see it.
Shotguns are used as a device if you have no idea what your about to be in and you need to have something that can cover almost any situation. This includes a less then lethal option.
However, I dont' carry a handgun because I expect to be in a gun fight. I carry a handgun because I'm expecting NOT to get in a fight. Believe me, If I woke up this morning and the Arch Angel Michael said "ROB" @ 2 o'clock your goint to be in a shootout. I'm going to have an Assault style rifle as my primary whether its an AR or an Ak makes no difference. My Subgun in the car as a second option and a shotgun loaded with buck shot and slugs as an I'm really in trouble, and a pistol. O yeah a Bullet proof vest to add. And I'm calling every friend I know who has the same gear and tell them to meet me 2 hours before kickoff. Setting some of them up with SPR's.
My logic If I take the road of fight fair...My tactics SUCK!
I don't believe in fair fights
an AK, AR or anything else that not capeable of auto or burst fire thru use of a selector switch is not an assault weapon. It's just another semi-auto like a 30-06 or anything else. For home SD it's a good weapon. I prefer a AR platform but that's just my preference. Try this, take your pistol and get in a shooting room clearing ready stance. walk up to the wall and then see how much space it takes, how far you are from the wall. Now do the same with a AK, AR or even a .30-.30. I think you will be amazed. I bring up the 30-30 because here in MI it is one of the most popular rifles due to deer hunting in thick woods. I own a few. the reason I bought them was for the above mentioned SHTF time Get in the woods to hide away from the crazies until you know whats happening and if need arises you can get ammo from any cabin in the woods here. Great carbine, just not semi- auto.
To recap Assault Rifle meets your definition.
Clinton's Assault Weapons Ban (or extremly dumb Semi automatic FEATURE BAN)meets the Semi-automatic ONLY definition.
I dont own a AK-47. I own a Arsenal SLR-95. It is not an assault rifle it is my hunting rifle. Do I own 30 round magazines? Yes. But I hunt with a 5 round. I only have the 30 round for the range.
What difference does the look make. I can kill just as many people with any other gun I own.
I have seen people shoot bolt guns just as fast as most semi's.
Why does law enforcement carry 12 gauges? Are they going bird hunting?
I have used my slingshot to hurt people but never my guns.
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