This is a discussion on Got pulled over by the cops today within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by dukalmighty ...due to the person thinking if it acts like he's got nothing to hide and gives consent to search the LEO ...
they did NOT search my car...just took the rifle which was in clear view when the hatch was open out of the case.
Let's Roll - Todd Beamer
I tell you one thing, over the years of reading CCW forums, if I ever do follow through with becoming an officer I will be taking all your weapons. If anything for the attitude that just because you are a CCW holder you think you are a better and more "trusted" person than everyone else. I took that test too, I finished the test in less than 2-3 minutes. Anyone can pass it.
Then again, a cop dies and you pay no attention either right? You only care when they take your weapon away to make sure they get to go home to their families.
I see the reason for keeping the driver in the vehicle and away from the LEO, but someone reaching for a gun and not knowing if that person is "knowledgable" about that gun gives right for concern.
"Brains before Bullets"
he asked me what kind i had before it was secured. mine has a double safety on it (Springfield XD)
Let's Roll - Todd Beamer
It was handled well by both parties. The officer DID ask permission before the pat down. Permission COULD have been refused, but in MOST states that issue CCW's it is expressly stated that in contact with LE, you MUST inform the officer that you are armed, and surrender the weapon if instructed to do so.
Remember guys....a CCW is a priviledge, not a right. I don't want to get into the 2nd Ammendment argument...I am 1billion percent pro 2A, but as far as most LAWS are concerned...it is not a right. I think Vermont has it correct...they have it in their state constitution that carrying for defense is a right, whether it be concealed or not. I am talking about the other 49 here. In Arizona where I live, open carry is a RIGHT, yet CCW is a privilidge, and when you accept the responsibility of CCW, then you also accept the rules and limitations that go with it.
My standard response to a CCW holder when I was informed they were carrying, and the location of the gun was: "Okay, thanks for letting me know...if you don't play with your gun, I won't have to play with mine." It broke the tension for the subject of the stop, and 9 times out of 10 he got the "good guy pass" especially if it was for a minor equipment violation.
Now that I am retired, if I am pulled over...I tell the officer: "Officer, I just want to let you know...I have a legally concealed handgun in a holster on my right hip. Here is my License, proof of insurance, and permit...what would you like me to do next?"
The above sounds a whole lot better than: "I have a gun" which to a rookie or a sensitive type could sound a whole lot like: "I GOT A GUN!"
Just be safe guys, and 'member...your gun is like your AMEX card...don't leave home without it.
i'm sure if i was not in Vegas, i probably would not have been disarmed. Police are stretched thin here and there are so lousy areas of town...once he saw my ccw and all, he was cool with it and even said "hey, u got a ccw, i dont care that the [Edited] you do...you're cool"
Let's Roll - Todd Beamer
Does anyone know of a case where a person with a permit, notified an officer he was carrying, and then shot the officer?
So all this bravado was a show to intimidate an innocent person.
I'd say the chances of you getting shot were higher than of his getting shot.He then reached into my vehicle, pulled it out of my holster
Why did you tell him you were armed? There are only 10 states that have that requirement.
Yes, it is unlikely that I'm going to get shot by the honest guy with a CCW, so when somebody doesnt say anything about being armed and I spot the gun, I have to assume intentions are not good.
I dont see any bravado or intimidation here at all. Its about doing whats best at the time to make sure we all get to the next day.
"Just blame Sixto"
Agree with Sixto (and this discussion on notify or not notify continues to go full circle)...I think one has everything to gain by notifying and nothing to lose. Being within the letter of the law (or have the law on your side) doesn't necessarily reduce frustration...in fact, it may increase with the one carrying losing while it is being sorted out. Could all be sorted out up front and everybody leaving essentially as happy campers.
Pressing to test (not notifying) can result in what Sixto mentioned...the "why".
In SC my CWP is not tied to my drivers license and sure isn't tied to the license plates. Lots of times it is my wifes car or maybe a company car. LEO walks up and I don't say anything about my gun since it is concealed he doesn't know at all. Some way he catches a glimpse of it or sees the print of it what is he going to do? Remember that in SC you are required to notify. I don't see anything good coming out of that stop.
Just because someone has a permit doesn't mean they are perfect as some are trying to imply. Just that when they got their permit supposedly they hadn't done anything.