Realistic opinions on O's tax on weapons and ammo.

Realistic opinions on O's tax on weapons and ammo.

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    Realistic opinions on O's tax on weapons and ammo.

    OK, I have heard from several independent (READ - not related) sources that O plans on a HUGE excise tax (up to 500%) on Firearms and Ammunition.

    You can't believe everything you read on the net, and I could not find anything even close to this on O's website.

    Given the glorious way that our government makes laws, and my special favorite of attaching a completely unrelated item to a bill on it's journey to becoming a law, how likely is this.

    As an example;
    Immigration reform. A bill gets written that is a strong solid measure to stop the flood of border jumpers, rounding up the ones we have and shipping them back to hence they came. Both sides of the party lines are all for it.

    But wait, at the end there is a "by the way...increase the federal excise tax on all ammunition and firearm sales to 500%, Military, Law Enforcement and other government agencies will be exempt.

    Short, simple, and one line stuffed at the end.

    Do we have enough people in the houses to catch it, bring it to the public eye, or stop it?

    Do you honestly think that this type of "Tax it to death" will happen?
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    I won't put anything past them....

    Actually the idea of such a tax is not original to Obama; It was first suggested by Sen. Patrick Moynihan from New York back in the 1980s....
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    I forgot, did he run for president or legislature? President, you say? Which means this is a province of the legislature, who can override a presidential veto anyway? By God! It's almost like this taxation issue is out of President-Elect Obama's hands!

    Guys, talk to your Congress-critters. Tell them via email, phone, or written letter that support of these things you dislike loses your vote and the votes of a number of other people (this works best with letters, which can be signed petition-style). If the bill comes up, get vocal and keep pressing your representatives and senators. The president-elect happens to be one that will likely go along with this legislation, so there's no point in wasting time on him.


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    I doubt it, like BAC said, the legislature starts the bill process.

    I guess since the election cycle is over, people have very little to gripe about, so now the "ideas" of what gloom and doom may present itself now are all folks have to gripe about.

    My personal preference is to sit back and wait till Jan and see what folks start actually talking about, then call them on it through, contacting your Reps, and Sens if things start to look like they are heading south. I assume that nothing related to 2A will be addressed for several years if then.
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    I doubt any attack on firearms will be coming soon. He has to build up a lot of credit with the American people before taking on a contriversial issue like that. Especially in light of the "cling to guns and religion" comment. If he finds a way to do some good things in the first year or two with the economy and energy, then I'd watch out.
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    My warning to everyone is just to be vigilant. The same way the frenzy over "change" can be whipped up within the society that same kind of frenzy can be whipped up about how guns are bad. All it would take is one major incident where a gun or guns are involved and the media and the ongoing "O" campaign will whip up that frenzy again and get enough people to be against guns without them even thinking.

    I fear that as much as we can call our representatives that the anti's will try and generate the same amount of support on the other side.
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    After the hit the Democrats took after voting on the AWB I don't think anyone in congress would be eager to put their name on anything like that. Depending on his poll numbers I would expect that towards the end of his first term or if he gets reelected at the start of his second.
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    I think such a tax, large enough to make it all most impossible to afford a weapon or ammo would be challeged in court. I also feel that said tax would be found unreasonable in court.
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    Recently the way these things pass is that Congress passes a bill that is ~10,000 pages long without anyone even reading the whole bill before it passes.

    So yes, I do think there is a danger of something like this being snuck in at the last minute.

    The fact that this sort of thing is a danger to republican governments has been apparent since the late 1700s. Consider the following line from the Constitution of the CSA, Article 1 section 9:

    (20) Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title.
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    oh well, I've got all the firearms that I need and no one will take them!

    only guns left for me to buy are ones that I want
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    consider how many small firearms companies folded because the bureaucratics were allowed to define "Saturday Night Specials"!

    They are the same folks that defined "Assault Weapons", and coined phrases like "We need safer guns, and safer bullets".

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    I am trying to keep this thread on a "TAX" line of thinking. The AWB and "Gun Grab" are different topics and very much covered in other threads.

    GWRedDragon - If that procedure has not been repealed, why is it not enforced. When I was in High School, we were taught that the tactic of attaching unrelated items into bills to become law was very common practice. As stated earlier, a 10k page bill with lots of fluff and filler is a great way to slip this sort of thing in.

    The Romans invented political corruption and treachery, we perfected it.

    I have never heard of a "Tax" being challenged after imposed other than in Boston a couple hundred years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    I am trying to keep this thread on a "TAX" line of thinking. The AWB and "Gun Grab" are different topics and very much covered in other threads.

    GWRedDragon - If that procedure has not been repealed, why is it not enforced. When I was in High School, we were taught that the tactic of attaching unrelated items into bills to become law was very common practice. As stated earlier, a 10k page bill with lots of fluff and filler is a great way to slip this sort of thing in.

    The Romans invented political corruption and treachery, we perfected it.

    I have never heard of a "Tax" being challenged after imposed other than in Boston a couple hundred years ago.

    it wasn't repealed more like the country ceased to exist. CSA is the Confederate States of America. sadly that law wasn't passed onto the USA

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    Chain reaction

    A 500% tax on ammunition and firearms would cause sales of those items to drop by a lot, maybe 90%. All ammunition and firearm companies would have excess capacity and employees, and would likely go bankrupt. The police and military would begin to have great difficulty buying the ammunition and firearms they need, because the manufacturers rely upon the civilian market for a big share of their sales and profits.

    Additionally, I don't believe a punitive tax like this would pass legal scrutiny in the courts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pogo2 View Post
    A 500% tax on ammunition and firearms would cause sales of those items to drop by a lot, maybe 90%. All ammunition and firearm companies would have excess capacity and employees, and would likely go bankrupt. The police and military would begin to have great difficulty buying the ammunition and firearms they need, because the manufacturers rely upon the civilian market for a big share of their sales and profits.

    Additionally, I don't believe a punitive tax like this would pass legal scrutiny in the courts.
    That is an excellent point.

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