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    One in the barrel

    Someone told me that dropping a round in the barrel, closing the slide and then inserting the magazine is not a good idea because it is bad for the extractor. Anyone else ever heard of this?

    Generally I will fill the mag, load one round by pulling the slide back, pop the mag back out and then replace the extra round.

    Does it matter how its done? How do you do it?


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    This is what is generally referred to as the "Bubba Load" or Direct Chambering basically, you are forcing the extractor over the edge of the case instead of the rim being fed properly into the extractor from underneath. Yes it can damage the extractor.


    I think Tangle wrote up a nice long experiment re: Direct Chambering.

    Here we go...

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...pdate-3-a.html
    Last edited by JD; November 12th, 2008 at 10:14 PM. Reason: Removed goof up for clarification.

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    Someone told me that dropping a round in the barrel, closing the slide and then inserting the magazine is not a good idea
    The manual for my new Walther PPK specifically stated that I should not do this. Since reading that, I have stopped with all my firearms...I used to do it all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    Someone told me that dropping a round in the barrel, closing the slide and then inserting the magazine is not a good idea because it is bad for the extractor.
    Heh, oops. Just call me "The Shooter Formerly Known as Bubba"
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    That's why we have "strippers" !!!

    No, no it is not what you think

    It is a magazine, usually not 100% fit for service, in which you put only1 round, rack the slide, drop the "stripper" and insert your full mag.

    You are now ready to go without having to mess with your full mag.
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    I had a round ND from a Springfield V10 Ultra doing the same thing, and no I didn't have my booger hook on the trigger.
    I dug the round out of the sand and keep it as a not so gentle reminder to never get complacent with guns. I don't know how or why it happened but I don't do that anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    ................There is also generally increased bullet set back when using the direct chambering method which can increase internal pressure in the chamber and has been known in extreme cases to damage firearms.............
    JD -- Did you type that wrong or am I reading it wrong??? I would think that direct chambering would result in decreased bullet set back.

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    No, your not reading it wrong. Setback is not talking about the round in the chamber it is talking about the possition of the bullet in the casing.

    It will force the bullet farther into the case, ie making a shorter overall round length and increasing pressure in the casing when fired.

    I don't do either of the methods when loading. I simply put my mag into the firearm, rack the slide and holster the gun. Not adding another round to the mix.
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    must be some misunderstanding here somewhere. Direct chambering...Bubba Loading... does NOT cause bullet set back. Set back is caused from the bullet nose colliding with the feed ramp, and differeent weapons cause different degrees of setback.

    I don't like the bubba method as it is not real friendly to the extactors.

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    Someone told me that dropping a round in the barrel, closing the slide and then inserting the magazine is not a good idea because it is bad for the extractor. Anyone else ever heard of this?
    Live rounds were meant to be stripped from the magazine while the cartridge rim slides up into the extractor groove. If you let the extractor ride over the rim of a chambered round, this would usually stretch the limit of outward movement of the extractor. I care for my pistols, and will always load one from the magazine. This also goes for other firearms, not particularly pistols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr surveyor View Post
    must be some misunderstanding here somewhere. Direct chambering...Bubba Loading... does NOT cause bullet set back. Set back is caused from the bullet nose colliding with the feed ramp, and differeent weapons cause different degrees of setback.

    I don't like the bubba method as it is not real friendly to the extactors.

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    Yep you're right, I was mis-remembering, it happens. Good catch.

    My issue is that I was just reading an article about out of spec chambers causing increased set back even when using direct chambering.

    Information overload.

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    That's interesting. Do the same out of spec chambers have a high rate of FTE problems?

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    I'm trying to find it wait one I want to say it was regarding excessive lead build up to the point where the projectile itself was getting caught up...

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    If you have an AFTEC Extractor installed you can do it since it's coil spring loaded.


    It's $70. though plus you'll need also install a tighter tolerance oversize firing pin stop. The entire extractor pivots on the FP Stop flange.
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    No...not a good idea...why do it?
    Just load the mag and rack...add the 'extra' to the mag.

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