Getting frustrated here

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    Getting frustrated here

    I have a 9mm EAA Witness... and it is a fantastic firearm. I've put about 500-1000 rounds thru it and it has jammed maybe once or twice. I'm having a serious problem with rust tho. My handguns are stored in 3x3x3 fireproof/waterproof safe with coins, cash and other valuables and documents. All of my handguns don't have ANY rust issues except the Witness. I really tore it apart one night and cleaned the barrel and most everything inside and that seemed to get rid of the rust. Now it's spreading like a disease and I have spotty areas on the rear of the grip, trigger guard and the frame just under the muzzle.

    I know how to get rid of it, my problem is preventing it. I've tried using oil and scrubbing pads to rub it off. The gets rid of it, but it comes back. I've tried the selsia (sp?) packs in the safe... nothing.

    My only thought is maybe my sweaty hands contribute to it. I do a basic oil and clean of the gun after each use, and store it open in the safe unloaded. I'd really hate to have to get rid of this gun, but it's getting to be that way and I'm frustrated. Any help would be appreciated.

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    Pro, where does the rust appear?
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    After you clean the gun - Warm it with a hair blow-dryer and rub it down with a coat of Renaissance Wax and then buff it with a soft cotton cloth after the metal cools down. It's fantastic stuff.

    That will physically block air and moisture from contacting the surface.

    No air and no moisture means that rust cannot reappear.

    The R Wax does not make firearms slippery.

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    Renaissance Wax is magic stuff. It's the best thing for holsters and other leather products. It's used in museums to protect ancient items. I've never tried it for rust protection, but it certainly makes sense. I find regular maintenance, lube, and an application of Sheath works just fine for me. I also have a silicone rag on top of my safe for a quick daily wipedown.
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    Google EEZOX.

    I use it on my handguns and now most of my tools.. It works.
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    I had minor rusting on the barrel of a Browning BDM 9mm pistol, back in the 1990's. Found the Birchwood-Casey Sheath product and that cured it all. With that barrel's material and finishing, it took keeping up on the cleaning, with a liberal wiping down with Sheath every couple weeks, but it never rusted again.
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    I a little bit off the subject, my revolver got a couple of tiny rusty spots on the OD of the barrel, will DW40 cure it? or should I get something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    Pro, where does the rust appear?
    It's mainly around where my hand would go (which leads me to believe my sweat would contribute to it), but then again I clean and oil it after each use

    And then a little bit under the muzzle on the frame.

    Either way... thanks guys for all the quick responses. So many choices... Either way, I'm sure something here or a combination of things will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    I a little bit off the subject, my revolver got a couple of tiny rusty spots on the OD of the barrel, will DW40 cure it? or should I get something else?
    First off, WD-40 is a penetrating oil. It is not designed to be used on guns unless its so rusted the parts wont move, then you have bigger problems. WD-40 is a poor lubricant and protectant. Its fine for loosening the ball on your hitch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    After you clean the gun - Warm it with a hair blow-dryer and rub it down with a coat of Renaissance Wax and then buff it with a soft cotton cloth after the metal cools down. It's fantastic stuff.

    That will physically block air and moisture from contacting the surface.

    No air and no moisture means that rust cannot reappear.

    The R Wax does not make firearms slippery.

    The Renaissance wax is good stuff and I have used it in the past. The problem with any rust is that once the rusting process has started, its there. All you can do now is try to prevent it from getting worse. I use Break-Free w/clp or FP10 on all my firearms. Break-Free for my EDC and FP10 for my safe queens. The FP10 seems to last a little longer and does not dry out as fast as BF. YMMV


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcher View Post
    First off, WD-40 is a penetrating oil.
    IIRC, the "WD" stands for Water Displacer. It's pretty darned good at doing that. But then, there are a couple other gun-friendly formulas that have been mentioned, including Sheath. NONE of them are really lubricants, as such. There are proper oils for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    After you clean the gun - Warm it with a hair blow-dryer and rub it down with a coat of Renaissance Wax and then buff it with a soft cotton cloth after the metal cools down. It's fantastic stuff.

    That will physically block air and moisture from contacting the surface.

    No air and no moisture means that rust cannot reappear.

    The R Wax does not make firearms slippery.
    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    Renaissance Wax is magic stuff. It's the best thing for holsters and other leather products. It's used in museums to protect ancient items. I've never tried it for rust protection, but it certainly makes sense. I find regular maintenance, lube, and an application of Sheath works just fine for me. I also have a silicone rag on top of my safe for a quick daily wipedown.
    I'll second the wax. I use it on my high carbon/non-stainless knives and swords...no signs of rust yet...
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    Also one of the problems with using WD-40 around firearm is that since it does penetrate.......it can get into you ammo and make it useless. I have tested this by taking old ammo and spraying the primers down and leaving them alone for a couple of days. They did fire not a single one out of 20 rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    I'll second the wax. I use it on my high carbon/non-stainless knives and swords...no signs of rust yet...
    where can I buy this good stuff that cleans the rust?

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    The way I protect car parts is applying a rust neutralizer (available at a car part store), cleaning that off with water, drying thoroughly, and then applying a liberal dose of breakfree CLP. The coating breakfree leaves does a great job of preventing rust.

    Rust neutralizers are an acid that converts rust to another metal, so that way the "cancer" can't spread because it's gone.

    Once you've defeated the rust you should consider putting some sort of better finish on the weapon to reduce your maintenance needs, unless the rust is happening somewhere you can't finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    I a little bit off the subject, my revolver got a couple of tiny rusty spots on the OD of the barrel, will DW40 cure it? or should I get something else?
    wd40 works on everything but firearms...use a proper gun oil.

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