Please help identify these revolvers!

Please help identify these revolvers!

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    Please help identify these revolvers!

    Guys below you will find pictures of two revolvers that I have. My dad passed away due to cancer when I was 7 and these were his. They were passed on to me and I would love to know all the details I can about them. I've never really been a revolver buff at all but I know a lot of you guys are. The first is a double action S&W and it's marked 32 W.C.F. CTG on the barrel. The second is also a 6 shot revolver. It is a double action 38 Special and says: " FALCON Cal 38 SPL Made in Brazil The Spesco Corp Atlanta-Georgia" on the right side and "FORJAS Taurus S.A. P.Alegre R.G.S. Brasil" on the left side. Any details about any of these would REALLY be appreciated. Like when maybe they were produced or anything you might know about them. Just thought it would be cool to know more about the guns he had. Thanks for the help!!!
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    Your S&W revolver is the .32 Hand Ejector, Model 0f 1903. It went through several changes between 1903 and 1942. More information is needed to narrow it down. Knowing the serial number is necessary.

    I can't help with the Brazilian revolver. I would, tho, classify it as a "wall hanger".


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    The first appears to be a Smith & Wesson hand ejector. I can't really tell the caliber but the last hand ejector models were made in about 1966. The second looks like a Taurus/ Spesco Falcon .38 and I believe they are no longer manufactured either. Gunbroker does have a Falcon if you want to take a look:

    Taurus Falcon : Revolvers at GunBroker.com
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    Pretty strange to see those machine serrated cylinder flutes on that Falcon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    The first appears to be a Smith & Wesson hand ejector. I can't really tell the caliber but the last hand ejector models were made in about 1966.
    The caliber is .32 WCF, which is actually the .32-20 Winchester. That's what threw me off initially.

    I first thought it was the .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903, which is chambered in .32 S&W Long. (not .32 WCF).

    Further research shows that the OP's revolver is a .32-20 Hand Ejector, Model of 1905, 4th Change, made between 1915 and 1940. His serial number dates it to 1916.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    The caliber is .32 WCF, which is actually the .32-20 Winchester. That's what threw me off initially.

    I first thought it was the .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903, which is chambered in .32 S&W Long. (not .32 WCF).

    Further research shows that the OP's revolver is a .32-20 Hand Ejector, Model of 1905, 4th Change, made between 1915 and 1940. His serial number dates it to 1916.
    That's what I was thinking but since they were also made in various calibers (.32, .38, .22-32, .44 and .45) I couldn't tell for sure.
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    Yea for your Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector .32-20! A really grand ol' revolver. If you are able to hand load for it you will have a very accurate and enjoyable revolver. I've owned a couple of Smith & Wesson .32-20 revolvers and currently have a really nice 4-inch made in 1930. With hand loads made with Hornady 90 grain SWCs it may be the tightest grouping revolver I own.

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    I get enthused about one of my very favorite cartridges, the .32-20 so had to drag this retread I wrote up for another forum a few years back.

    Introduced by Winchester in 1882 as a new chambering for their famous 1873 rifle, the .32-20 or .32 WCF as it was originally called, was marketed as a combination small game and deer cartridge for the sportsman. Originally a black powder cartridge loaded with a 115 grain lead bullet, it was easily adaptable to smokeless powder. It was improved further with special high velocity factory loads especially loaded for rifle use only, and then only in certain rifles with strong actions. Colt almost immediately began providing it in their Model 1873 Single Action Army revolver. The .32-20 remained reasonably popular for the next 60 years, being chambered in both rifles and revolvers by a number of firearms manufacturers.

    Colt occasionally provided arms chambered for Winchester proprietary cartridges in the later part of the 19th century, beginning with the .44 rim fire, also known as the .44 Henry Flat. This low-powered rim fire round appeared during the Civil War chambered in the Henry rifle, and was also used in the Winchester Model 1866 rifle. Colt made the .44 rim fire an available chambering when the firm introduced their Model 1873 revolver. The Winchester Model 1873 introduced the famous .44-40 (.44WCF) and followed up with the .38-40 (.38 WCF) in 1879, and the .32-20 (.32WCF) in 1882. All these cartridges were popular in their day and, as the Colt SAA could readily be adopted for them, Colt followed Winchester’s lead, providing handguns that would accept these handy cartridges.

    I consider the .32-20 to be one of my 10 favorite cartridges. This cute little center fire round offers a level of performance that is almost unique in any line-up of cartridges available to the shooting sports enthusiast in the 21st century. It offers low recoil in either rifle or revolver and is highly effective for small game hunting and varmint control at ranges out to 100 yards. In this modern age one must hand load in order to make the best use of the .32-20. It is the hand loader friend and may be tailored to deliver much better performance and economy. It makes a good combination cartridge for rifle and handgun.

    The .32-20 As a Rifle Cartridge

    I get a kick out of using such a small center fire cartridge on my wanderings afield. The .32-20 is my favored companion at our old home place or on a deer lease. I’ve used it to take rabbits and squirrels and to lay low the varmints encountered. It won’t destroy as much meat as the .22 Hornet or even the .22 Magnum rim fire round but is just as good a killer. If one hand loads, it can be a very inexpensive round to produce. If one casts one’s bullets, it is scarcely more expensive to shoot than the .22 Long Rifle. It may be hotrodded to the point of attaining over 2000 fps with a 100 grain jacketed bullet if one is using a suitable rifle. This brings the .32-20 into the performance category of the .30 Carbine round. I have used such loads in a Winchester Model 92 saddle-ring carbine and also a scoped Marlin Model 1894 CL. These loads still wouldn’t make the .32-20 the deer round originally envisioned by Winchester all those years ago. The high velocity load gives a little flatter trajectory but still only makes the round suitable for shots out to about 150 yards. This high velocity load is not a top choice if one wants to obtain small game for the pot for it will disassemble eatable game. A better choice is a flat nosed or semi-wadcutter lead bullet either purchased or home cast, weighing between 90 grains and 115 grains. The lead SWC bullets made for the .32 S&W Long or for the .32 H&R Magnum are great in a good .32-20 rifle with a mild charge of fast burning powder. Launched at 1100 to 1400 feet per second, these are the loads I enjoy most. The .32-20 may well be the best center fire plinking round ever though up.

    I kept a .32-20 Winchester Model 1892 saddle-ring carbine for many years, only selling it because I wanted to purchase a collectible car. Since I also had a Marlin Model 1894 CL at the time, I sold the more valuable Winchester. I regret that decision as the Winchester was the better design, displayed much better workmanship, was the more accurate, and had a much better trigger. I hadn’t wrung out the Marlin much when I sold the ’92 Winchester or I’d have kept it and let go of the Marlin. I had to obtain another Winchester '92 to be satisfied with my .32-20 rifle.

    A good .32-20 rifle could be pressed into service as a short range self defense weapon. With factory loads it looks to be equal to the 7.65 Mauser or the 7.65 Tokorev. With a high velocity hand load it would be similar to the .30 Carbine.

    Marlin makes runs of their Model 1894 CL in .32-20 and Browning and Winchester both fielded modern versions of the Model 1892 rifle in .32-20. The Marlin may be the only new firearm available for the cartridge. There are lots of classic oldies chambered for .32-20. Some are pricey and some are very reasonable. Winchester, Colt Remington, Marlin, Savage and others made rifles in the round. Some attractive bolt action models may be had, along with single shot rifles, and even some slide action rifles may occasionally be found.

    The .32-20 As a Revolver Cartridge

    The .32-20 revolver makes a great field companion when holstered on one’s belt. I’ve taken small game and shot pests with mine. One may safely hand load most .32-20 revolvers to slightly exceed the performance of the .32 H&R Magnum cartridge. I’ve noticed that the .32-20 is capable of excellent accuracy when employed on paper targets at the range. I have a load using the 90 grain Hornady lead SWC that makes satisfyingly tight, round groups and is so pleasant to shoot. It cuts a neat round hole in the paper and has cut a neat round hole in the head of a rattlesnake on occasion.

    A .32-20 revolver would be a minimally suitable self-defense weapon which could be utilized in a pinch. It would perform much like a .32 H&R Magnum. It may be marginally improved by hand loading.

    The interest in the Colt SAA replicas has benefited the enthusiast who is interested in acquiring newly manufactured revolvers chambered in the .32-20. Several Single Action Army clones are marketed in this round and I notice that the Colt Custom Shop will provide .32-20 versions of their original Model 1873 revolver. Lots of used .32-20 revolvers are out there which should be acquired and put back to work. Besides the original Colt single action, one may find other early 20th century Colt double action revolvers such as the Army Special and the Police Positive Special. Smith & Wesson provided their K frame Military and Police model in .32-20 from 1899 until 1940. A small number of these revolvers featured adjustable sights. These Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers are not hard to come by and not expensive. A tight gun with a good bore and some honest wear is what one is looking for if one wants to shoot .32-20. Leave the condition rarities and their high prices for the collectors.

    I have an early 30’s vintage Smith & Wesson Military and Police .32-20 revolver with a 4 inch barrel. This is a very nice revolver, displaying fine workmanship and a deep blue finish. It is very tight and has an excellent trigger, both in single action and double action mode and may be the most accurate handgun I have. For many years I had a nickeled companion to this piece that was made in 1906. It was also very accurate but as the nickel finish was rather ragged it went away.


    The Thompson Center Contender may be had with a barrel chambered for .32-20. As I understand it, this barrel is in .308 bore diameter rather than the original .312 diameter of the cartridge. A Contender equipped with this barrel could accurately use the lighter weight .308 component bullets available.

    A Cartridge With a Split Personality

    There’s .32-20’s and then there’s .32-20’s! The original featured 20 grains of black powder. It was suitable for early primitive rife actions and handguns that were made of simple steels with little or no heat-treating. Mention has been made of the high velocity factory loads once available but which are now long gone. Beginning with the Winchester Model 1885 single shot designed by John M. Browning, and continuing with the Winchester Model 1892 also of Browning design, the .32-20 was now housed in some rifles that were engineered to stand higher pressures than black powder generated. In the 20th century Remington, Winchester, and Savage made some nifty bolt action and slide action rifles that are amply strong enough to take advantage of the ballistics that high velocity smokeless loadings could afford. Some of these old higher-pressure factory loads are occasionally found and should not be considered suitable for early rifle designs or for any handgun.

    Good .32-20 Rifles and Handguns

    Winchester:
    Model 1873 lever action
    Model 1885 single shot (Low-wall for mild loads--High-wall for HV loadings)
    Model 1892 lever action*
    Model 53 lever action*
    Model 43 bolt action*

    Browning:
    Model 53 lever action* (copy of the Winchester Model 53)

    Cimaron F. A. Co.: (replicas of famous Winchester Models)
    Model 1866
    Model 1873

    Remington:
    Rolling Block
    Model 25 slide action*

    Marlin:
    Model 1894 lever action* (original production-1894 to 1936)
    Model 1894 CL lever action*(reintroduced 1969 CL version starting in 1988)

    Savage:
    Model 23 bolt action*

    Stevens:
    No. 44 single shot

    Colt:
    Model 1873 Single Action Army
    Model 1878 Double Action
    Army Special
    Police Positive Special
    Lightning Model slide action rifle

    Smith & Wesson:
    Military and Police K frame from 1899 to 1940

    Thompson Center Contender*
    W/.32-20 barrel

    *Suitable for high velocity loadings


    Here's the chronograph poop on the .32-20

    Handgun data

    77 gr. Remington metal case (for .32 ACP), Unique, MV 1362 ME 317
    80 gr. Remington lead round nose, Unique MV 909 ME 146
    90 gr. Hornady lead SWC, Unique MV 969 ME 188 ES 41
    100 gr.Remington JSP No. B22810, Unique MV 932 ME 215
    " ", Unique+.5gr. MV 1180 ME 309
    " ", IMR4227 MV 1341 ME 399
    100 gr. Remington lead No. B22822, Unique MV 1249 ME 346
    " ", Unique MV 873 ME 160
    115 grain cast lead, Unique MV 764 ME 149
    " " Goex FFG MV 846 ME 183

    Rifle data

    85 gr. Hornady JHP, H110, MV 2143 ME 865 ES 31
    " ", IMR 4227 MV 1939 ME 708 ES 52
    " ", Unique MV 1365 ME 351 ES 34
    90 gr. Hornady lead SWC, Unique MV 1509 ME 455 ES 41
    100 gr. Remington lead No. B22822, Unique MV 1227 ME 330
    100 gr. Remington JSP No. B22810, H110 MV 2008 ME 890 ES 40
    " ", IMR 4227 MV 1792 ME 711 ES 54
    " ", Unique MV 1233 ME 337 ES 65
    115 gr. cast lead, Unique MV 1180 ME 356
    " " Goex FFG MV 1256 ME 402

    Handgun used: Smith&Wesson Military & Police w/4-inch barrel
    Rifle used: Winchester Model 1892 with 20-inch barrel
    Oehler Model 12 chronograph

    I dislike revealing exact hand loading data on a forum format. Anyone seeking more detailed information may contact me through the Forum email feature.

    I don't make use of the high velocity loads shown above as I don't want to risk firing one in the revolver. Besides, they are really outside the spirit of the .32-20 and it's use as a fun cartridge.


    This Round Deserves More Attention Than It Receives.

    I wish that demand would cause more arms to be offered in this round. It would also be nice to have a selection of both jacketed and lead bullets available in factory loadings at reasonable prices. I could wish for more hand loading component bullets too. The .32-20 is a fine cartridge with which to relax on a lazy afternoon. Sort of a center fire version of a .22. The only other round that might be similar is the .25-20 WCF but it isn’t chambered in handguns. I have firearms for various “serious” purposes. I like having .32-20’s just for bumming around when I want something more than a .22 Long Rifle. It is a good round with which to unwind, chill out and take a break from louder, harder kicking weapons. A serious cartridge for those who are serious about their shooting relaxation.

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    Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine .32-20 from 1896
    Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector .32-20 from 1930

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post


    Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine .32-20 from 1896
    Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector .32-20 from 1930
    Nice pieces you have there! Wanted to thank you for all of the information on the cartridge as well. Always nice to know the specifics on different calibers. Going to send in to S&W to get my letter of authenticity... just think it would be cool to have it, you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    The first appears to be a Smith & Wesson hand ejector. I can't really tell the caliber but the last hand ejector models were made in about 1966. The second looks like a Taurus/ Spesco Falcon .38 and I believe they are no longer manufactured either. Gunbroker does have a Falcon if you want to take a look:

    Taurus Falcon : Revolvers at GunBroker.com
    Thanks for the link ronwill. I wasn't able to find much on this Falcon. Certainly not worried about selling it as I'm just going to keep it in the family. Besides, I've learned the hard way that selling a gun only makes me sad and I end up wanting one just like it down the road. ha!
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