What grain 9mm?

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    What grain 9mm?

    I usually go 'big' my 45 is 230, and I like it that way..... more mass to hit the person. however this means slower speed, which means very heavy clothing = less penetration because impact is absorbed

    now I can't decide what grain 9mm I want... 115, 124 or some bid 'ol 147s....

    decisions decisions!!!!

    I think i'm going with Rangers, its a proven round... was thinking maybe some TAP or federal's tactical stuff but meh... I know ranger is the good stuff :)

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    I use the Federal 124 gr +P HST. Haven't had any problems with them.

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    I think 124 gr golden sabers

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    Federal HST 147g for me.

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    anyone know if 226 is 'ok' for +P? I'm pretty sure...

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    Speer GDHP 124+P
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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    I think 124 gr golden sabers
    Same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    I use the Federal 124 gr +P HST. Haven't had any problems with them.
    Likewise !!!
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    When I bought my 9mm SD ammo, I didn't know about HST (might not have been out yet, I suppose). So I have Federal 124gr EFMJ+P, and it shoots very nicely from my P226, indeed.
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    Historically the Illinois State Police load from Federal (9BPLE) has a good track record. That is a 115JHP +P+ I believe. I personally prefer a +P or +P+ in the 124-127 grain range. Right now I am using Ranger T's.

    And yes, the P226 can handle them just fine.
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    Seems like we narrowed it down to a reasonable amount..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Historically the Illinois State Police load from Federal (9BPLE) has a good track record. That is a 115JHP +P+ I believe. I personally prefer a +P or +P+ in the 124-127 grain range. Right now I am using Ranger T's.

    And yes, the P226 can handle them just fine.
    just FYI, no such thing as +P+

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    I'm also a fan of 124 gr., and here's my explanation I recently posted on Glocktalk:
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    Optimum cartridge selection is necessarily a compromise; and here's why:

    Momentum is mass times velocity. Both mass and velocity contribute to momentum in a linear fashion.

    Kinetic energy, when discussing a bullet in flight, represents the amount of negative work required to stop the bullet. In other words, to reduce its velocity to zero with reference to the velocity of the target. Unlike momentum, kinetic energy is the product of mass times the square of velocity, a nonlinear equation.

    These are two separate measurements, and both are based on the mass of the bullet.

    So people who say that a heavier bullet will have more momentum, and thus more stopping power, than a lighter bullet, are right.

    And people who say that a lighter bullet can be given much greater initial velocity with the same amount of propellant as a heavier bullet, and thus much greater kinetic energy, and thus greater stopping power, are also right.

    There are extremists arguing in favor of very light but very fast bullets, and in favor of very slow but very massive bullets, all on the basis of some theoretical ideas that they appear to have made up.

    My view is that Forest Gump was correct: "I think it's both." So I use bullets weighing 124-125 gr. that have a published kinetic energy of at least 230 foot-pounds at fifty yards. That's enough weight to avoid excessively rapid loss of energy (since kinetic energy also DECREASES with the square of velocity), but powerful enough to shatter human bone at any reasonable defensive range. And lighter bullets tend to have a flatter trajectory, which makes aiming at moving targets more precisely accomplished. So that's my compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    I use the Federal 124 gr +P HST. Haven't had any problems with them.
    Ditto

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    Any brand name 124 grain +P JHP, and if that is too stout I would drop down to any of the good non +P brand name 115 grain JHPs. The 9mm relies more on velocity to be effective than either the .40 or .45. The 147 grain bullet is too slow IMHO and the +P version may be too stout to fire in some lightweight pistols.
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