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    SHTF ???

    We talk about the possibility of the SHTF. I see it a lot on this forum and other gun forums I participate in as well. I know, I know...we need to be ready. Obama wants our guns, and someday he may put judges on the Supreme Court that could reverse the Heller decision. Let's say they say "Okay, turn 'em aaallll in.....OR ELSE!!" Okay, I believe we all agree that could be THE SHTF moment. Now what??? What I'm asking is, what will the day of the SHTF actually be like? Hey, I've bought more guns in the last 6 months that I had in the previous 15 years (6 vs. 2), and more ammo than I can count. But what will we ACTUALLY do on "SHTF Day"? Start "using" the ammo we have stocked up on? On who? The government? Our neighbors who may be "screaming libs" who think Obama and his gun-grab is a great idea? So what, if the Feds or the LEO actually started going door-to-door, forcibly taking our guns, A TOTAL infringment on our 2A Rights IMO, are we going to open fire on them? Really?
    I hear people post about the coming "civil war". "Stock up on guns and ammo....!" I'm sorry, but as much as I believe in the 2A, and believe that when No. 2 goes, the rest are sure to follow, I just don't get all the SHTF talk. We're the "good-guys", remember? We can't just say "Enough is enough, damn it!!!" BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG,BANG!!! That's what the "bad guys" do. Remember Luby's? Columbine? Virginia Tech? We can't do that--that's just crazy. So, what will SHTF actually be like? Or, is SHTF-Day something we just throw around on the internet to make ourselves feel better "because they better not take 'em...or the SHTF!" and we don't want to feel helpless. I'd love to hear from you guys.

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    I could never fire on a public safety officer just doing his duty, even if that duty is going door to door confiscating firearms. He's just doing his job and I would probably know the guy if he's a local. That battle needs to be fought in the courts and in congress, not in my front yard. My weapons are to protect me and mine from criminal activities and other unlawful violoence.


    Edit: I would definitely try to get away with hiding at least a few guns though.
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    This thread is closed, but you might be interested in the responses in it. It asks questions very close to your question.

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    I believe the general consensus is to give away a few sacrificial arms, and hope they don't find the rest. Although, if you ever have to use one in self defense, you're probably going to end up in jail.

    It will be a tough spot to be in.

    I don't see an outright rebellion, but if that scenario ever occurred, it would probably turn a lot of, otherwise, law-abiding citizens into criminals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpk View Post
    I could never fire on a public safety officer just doing his duty, even if that duty is going door to door confiscating firearms. He's just doing his job and I would probably know the guy if he's a local. That battle needs to be fought in the courts and in congress, not in my front yard. My weapons are to protect me and mine from criminal activities and other unlawful violoence.


    Edit: I would definitely try to get away with hiding at least a few guns though.
    If the socialists outlaw gun ownership, then we will become criminals for hiding our weapons. Many of us will then have to forfeit our jobs because we cannot have a criminal record.

    It's a simple choice to me. I will live free or die.

    If and when the SHTF, there will be some of us who will take up the fight in the courts. There will be some of us who take a stand and refuse to allow "authorities" to enter our homes and confiscate our guns.

    Things will get real ugly, real quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    If the socialists outlaw gun ownership, then we will become criminals for hiding our weapons. Many of us will then have to forfeit our jobs because we cannot have a criminal record.
    Glad Im self employed.

    It's a simple choice to me. I will live free or die.

    If and when the SHTF, there will be some of us who will take up the fight in the courts. There will be some of us who take a stand and refuse to allow "authorities" to enter our homes and confiscate our guns.

    Things will get real ugly, real quick.
    Im not giving up any guns period. No sacrificial guns and Im not burying them. The people who say they are gonna hide guns are fools. At the very time you think you need to hide them, you need to take them up and fight.

    I will not stand by and let my country turn into England or Australia. Both of which I have no sympathy for when it comes to gun ownership.
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    I have a few friends who are all about "no one will EVER take any of my guns". I am some where in between shooting at people who come for my guns and handing them over and saying "thanks come agian".
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    that would be an interesting situation to be in. would an outright rebellion happen? maybe...would it be a full fledged war? i really don't know what I would do in that situation. would i take up arms and join "the underground" or would i be law-abiding and turn in my guns? it's one of those things that you need to experience to actually know what you'd do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllAmerican View Post
    Glad Im self employed.



    Im not giving up any guns period. No sacrificial guns and Im not burying them. The people who say they are gonna hide guns are fools. At the very time you think you need to hide them, you need to take them up and fight.

    I will not stand by and let my country turn into England or Australia. Both of which I have no sympathy for when it comes to gun ownership.
    +1 I'm an old fart with not to many more yrs to come. If they come for my guns, I will resist!
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    Wehn there is a knock at the door. Asking where my firearms are? They were here now they are going. No idea what happened to them. There will be alot of people filling out lost guns reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 929bigo View Post
    We're the "good-guys", remember? We can't just say "Enough is enough, damn it!!!" BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG,BANG!!! That's what the "bad guys" do. Remember Luby's? Columbine? Virginia Tech? We can't do that--that's just crazy. So, what will SHTF actually be like? Or, is SHTF-Day something we just throw around on the internet to make ourselves feel better "because they better not take 'em...or the SHTF!" and we don't want to feel helpless. I'd love to hear from you guys.


    Some of my thoughts on this topic:

    There is a thin line between right and wrong. What might seem wrong at the time might be written into history as being the "right" thing to do. Our country was founded in the gray area around that thin line.

    What our founding fathers decided to do was treason. There is no doubt about that. Had they failed, and noone followed them into revolution, they would have been executed and written into the history books as traitors.
    Since they succeded in revolution and went on to prosper "they" got to write history.

    Rebel, Revolutionary, Tratior, Terrorist,..... it's all in who wins as to how they are refered to later in time.




    I would much prefer that in the event that our government decides that we don't know what is best for us. We can remind them that they serve us through non-violent means.
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    I really hope it never comes to that
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    This was written 10 years ago......but it has some good points to ponder in relation to this topic............I wonder how many gun owners would respond this way & I wonder how many would just give up their firearms?

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    As an amateur historian of this sad century whose time is almost up, I would like to reflect upon six lessons I have learned in my studies. Folks who wish to live free and prosperous in the next century would do well to understand the failures of the past.

    LESSON NO. 1: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and take you someplace you do not want to go because of who you are or what you think -- kill him. If you can, kill the politician who sent him. You will likely die anyway, and you will be saving someone else the same fate. For it is a universal truth that the intended victims always far outnumber the tyrant's executioners. Any nation which practices this lesson will quickly run out of executioners and tyrants, or they will run out of it.

    LESSON NO. 2: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and confiscate your firearms -- kill him. The disarmament of law-abiding citizens is the required precursor to genocide.

    LESSON NO. 3: If a bureaucrat tells you that he must know if you have a firearm so he can put your name on a list for the common good, or wants to issue you an identity card so that you be more easily identified -- tell him to go to hell. Registration of people and firearms is the required precursor to the tyranny which permits genocide. Bureaucrats cannot send soldiers to doors that are not on their list.

    LESSON NO. 4: Believe actions, not words. Tyrants are consummate liars. Just because a tyrant is "democratically elected" does not mean he believes in democracy. Reference Adolf Hitler, 1932.

    And just because a would-be tyrant mouths words of reverence to law and justice, or takes a solemn oath to uphold a constitution, does not mean be believes such concepts apply to him. Reference Bill Clinton, among others.

    The language of the lie is just another tool of killers. A sign saying "Arbeit Macht Frei" (Work Makes You Free) posted above an execution camp gate does not mean that anybody gets out of there alive, and a room labeled "Showers" does not necessarily make you clean. Bill Clinton notwithstanding, the meaning of "is" is plain when such perverted language gets you killed. While all tyrants are liars, it is true that not all political liars are would-be tyrants -- but they bear close watching. And keep your rifle handy.

    LESSON NO. 5: Our constitutional republic as crafted by the Founders is the worst form of government in the world, except when compared to all the others. Capitalism, as well, is a terrible way to run an economy, except when compared to all other economic systems. Unrestrained democracy is best expressed as three wolves and a sheep sitting down to vote on what to have for dinner. The horrors of collectivism in all its forms -- socialism, communism, national socialism, fascism -- have been demonstrated beyond dispute by considerable wasteful trial and bloody error. Leaders such as Bill Clinton who view the Constitution as inconvenient and ignorable are harbingers of tyranny.

    LESSON NO. 6: While nations do not always get the leaders they deserve, they always get the leaders they tolerate. And anyone who tells you that "It Can't Happen Here" is whistling past the graveyard of history. There is no "house rule" that bars tyranny coming to America. History is replete with republics whose people grew complacent and descended into imperial butchery and chaos. Dictators count on the assistance of people who are complacent, fearful, envious, lazy and corrupt. While there is no "Collective guilt" to the crimes of a regime (all such crimes being committed by specific criminal individuals), there is certainly "collective responsibility" -- especially for those who watch the criminals at work without objecting or interfering.

    A French journalist of the last century wrote: "I must speak out, for I will not be an accomplice." Evil tyrants require, indeed they depend upon, willing and unwilling accomplices -- good people who would never think of harming a soul themselves. Lenin called such people "useful idiots."

    De Tocqueville observed that "America is great because America is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great." As related in the Old testament, God judged nations based upon the immorality and criminality of their leaders. Entire peoples were scourged because of their failure to remove corrupt leaders.

    As we move from the Twentieth Century into the Twenty-First, we should take care to remember the ancient story of Sodom and Gommorrah. If we wish to avoid the butchery of the Twentieth Century and the righteous judgment of the God of our antiquity, we would do well to keep our Bibles, our Constitution and our firearms close at hand.
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    I would not like to shoot an LEO coming for my guns. That being said, once "effective notice" has been given by "us" that we will not "tolerate" such activity, I may have to reevaluate my position. I hope that day never comes.
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