DAK vs DA/SA trigger for the Sig 226?

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    Question DAK vs DA/SA trigger for the Sig 226?

    I have a question for those of you that shoot the Sig, what is the value of the DAK trigger as opposed to the DA/SA on the 226. I won’t be able to carry this pistol but will use it for target shooting and Action shooting competitions. Right now I use a clone of the CZ-85b and draw from the holster in cocked and locked. I had a Sig clone for a short while and came to like the decocker function.

    Plus will there be any advantage to having a new Sig trigger polished by a competent gunsmith?

    Does the DAK come with a magazine disconnect (hopefully not)

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    No Sigs available in the US that I know of other than the Mosquito come with a mag disconnect.

    Be aware that the DAK, like other DAOs, is going to have a pretty harsh resale value down the road - they're a much harder sell.

    If you were happy with the DA/SA modes of operation, then stick with the classic model.

    Don't shell out for a trigger job until you've shot at least 2.5k rounds - there are *few* competent smiths that work on them and generally they just seem to accelerate the benefits of wear rather than getting anyhting truly amazing out of the gun.
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    What a crock of crap, the DAK is one of the best features going on the newer SIG's, its a very smooth trigger pull and shorter reset then the standard. Resell will not be effected one way or the other

    But it is a carry /duty gun. designed to go against the glock and its ilk, not extra bells and and such,, If you like the SA/DA SIG's and the decockers go for that model. the only SIG's being made with mag disconectors are large department orders , nothing on the civillan market

    FOr target work any gun/pistol can benefit from a good going over ,
    Depending on your choice of target work, one may be better than the other

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    What a crock of crap
    Dave!!! Whatever happened to - ''I beg to differ'' ?
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    I have both and like both. One might thing that there's an advantage to SA follow up shots from a DA/SA, but I can't really say that that's true. The DAK is so smooth and light, you get a nice "surprise" break.

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    For me it would depend on what I hoped to accomplish.

    Say down the road I like my 220 so much I want to get a 226 because they're both classic designs. I'd probably get the traditional platform because I want a SIG for the sake of having a SIG. And if I ever parted with it for some reason, I'd recover more on the resale. Also, if I were shopping for a used SIG, I'd be willing to settle for it because that's likely what I'd find.

    Now if I was shopping for a brand new defensive handgun I was going to protect myself with, I believe I'd get the DAK and never ever look back. If it's a gun for serious work I want it to meet my preferences. If I'm gonna shell out for a new SIG (it's worth every penny imho if you want one), I want to get exactly what I prefer.

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    To answer your original question, the value of a DAK trigger over a DA/SA is consistent trigger pull for every shot. I like the heavier pull of that first DA shot, I like the option of the lighter SA shot, and I like the decocker. If you are in a serious situation, you are going to be squeezing at somewhere around 20 lbs, anyway, so it doesn't really matter much. It is more important which you train with and prefer. Shoot what you prefer and shoot well.

    I agree with rfurtkamp that you should hold off on a trigger job until you've put some rounds downrange. With proper cleaning and lube, the standard SIG trigger is pretty sweet, anyway. If you find you want a smoother trigger, I would send it to SigArms for a factory trigger job. Complaints about their work are rare.

    IIRC, one of the original design requirements for the P226 was that it could be used in a single-shot mode without a magazine, so there was no magazine disconnect. I'm not aware that that design element has changed.
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    I don't own a Sig. They are great guns, but the slide lock lever location always kept me away from them. However, I was in the shop the day the Sig rep debuted the DAK there. I placed an order for a 226 DAK in 9mm and would happily own it today had the shop not gotten the wrong pistol.

    I really liked the DAK action. Of course I like their standard DA/SA setup with the exception of the slide lock lever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CombatEffective
    ...I really liked the DAK action. Of course I like their standard DA/SA setup with the exception of the slide lock lever.
    It's never bothered me, so I'm curious - what is it about the slide lock lever you don't like?
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    Tom I find mine hard to operate on my solo Sig. Part of it is because this gun is completely different from every gun I've ever had before and I need more familiarity with it, but on my XDs, Ruger, CZ, etc. etc. I find the slide lock lever much easier to operate.

    I think I'll get used to it, but it's not "natural" feeling.

    FYI I agree on the trigger/action job thing. This same SIG has a trigger pull "like buttah" and I have no reason to believe it's ever been worked on. I do know it's been shot a lot however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom357
    It's never bothered me, so I'm curious - what is it about the slide lock lever you don't like?
    It's just in such a different place from that of my other bottom feeders that my muscle memory gets all confuddled when I handle one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave James
    What a crock of crap, the DAK is one of the best features going on the newer SIG's, its a very smooth trigger pull and shorter reset then the standard.
    It's smooth, but so is a broken in regular Sig in DA mode. Reset isn't something I can reasonably worry about - my normal draw and fire with a Mecgar 17 rounder inserted is sub 3.5 seconds at 7m silhouettes.

    Then again, I'm not real fond of Sig's new directions, and I say that as an owner of a revised GSR.

    Resell will not be effected one way or the other
    Resale on DAOs is historically lower and fewer shops want them. I work in the industry - there are *zero* shops here that take DAO versions of guns that exist as a DA/SA as anything other than consignment guns. They are lead bricks on the shelf.

    FOr target work any gun/pistol can benefit from a good going over ,
    Depending on your choice of target work, one may be better than the other
    I've shot the Bruce Grey-modded guns and some other smiths who try to tune Sigs - none is better than my beat up, more rounds through it than I can count (nearing 6 figures if not exceeding) 226. My pair of Mosquitos improved with use. My other 226s did too - and the Sig Pro.

    I can't tell the difference by and large between a tuned by Sig trigger from the custom shop and one that's been shot and cared for by its owner, and I've tried.

    The difference between individual guns for spring tension and fit and whatnot will manifest in some minor differences. I see some Sigs with better DA pull than others (which is interestingly more present on the modern ones I own versus the W. German import era ones), some with better SA, others with about equivalent.

    I know why Sig is chasing the LEO market, but to me it's like getting worked up over a DAO S&W 3rd gen auto - as a civilian who can carry DA/SA, I don't want to be crippled with the DAO or DAK on the remaining 17 shots in the magazine after boom #1.
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    Well, thats what you get for working at the end of the world,, doesn't make any difference here in the Tidewater area of VA. they all sell and are hard to keep on hand, and "historically low" is a bit of a reach, I have sold and carried SIG since Browning, imported them, there is no way that the DA/SA,,DAO, which I have several of is as smooth as the DAK.

    THe best 220 I ever shot was one done by Langdon, when he was doing them and it was smooth, Teddy Jacobson was another who did fantastic work,, but I think he's retired now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euclidean
    Tom I find mine hard to operate on my solo Sig. Part of it is because this gun is completely different from every gun I've ever had before and I need more familiarity with it, but on my XDs, Ruger, CZ, etc. etc. I find the slide lock lever much easier to operate.

    I think I'll get used to it, but it's not "natural" feeling.

    FYI I agree on the trigger/action job thing. This same SIG has a trigger pull "like buttah" and I have no reason to believe it's ever been worked on. I do know it's been shot a lot however.
    Ah. I agree that it's stiff. However, for me, that just prevents accidental slide release, and it has smoothed out some with time and practice. When I do a mag change drill, it doesn't slow me down, at all, because I'm pressing the release with intent. I do have to qualify this with the fact that this is the only pistol I shoot, so I'm not switching between pistols with different controls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CombatEffective
    It's just in such a different place from that of my other bottom feeders that my muscle memory gets all confuddled when I handle one.
    I can see how that would be. For me, it is right where I need it to be for a mag change - close to my thumb, but not risking an accidental release.
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