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    The cheapest method would be to arm some crew and drop the weapons in the water at the 12 mile limit...beats ransom.


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    This is just another case where the GGs are not allowed to have guns and the bad guys are armed to the teeth. Why can't the ships get in bunches and have an armed destroyer escort them through the bad area.

    That F 18 idea sounds good except they should to their ports and destroy any thing that floats. If you take out the mother ships it's a long way out there in a rubber boat.

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    How about ships not going to countries that don't allow weapons in port. I bet if that was to happen and the ships weren't coming anymore the laws would change really fast.
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    How about ships not going to countries that don't allow weapons in port. I bet if that was to happen and the ships weren't coming anymore the laws would change really fast.
    That might work.

    I think it might hurt us, more than it hurt them, now that we dont have the manufacturing base here that we had even in WW2.

    Quit going to China,Japan,Taiwan, and the rest of the Asian countries, and then cut out the whole mid-east where we get our oil from and I think we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot.

    Its better for us in the long run just to shoot the pirates when they try to play pirate.
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    This all has to do with Maritime Laws Actually before the Captain use to have a weapon supplied but due to all the new laws in effect and the problem of preventing if there was a fight with the crews it all change..
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    Maybe we need to return to the WWII practice of an "armed guard" on US flagged merchant ships. A trained gun crew with a "MA Deuce" .50 cal would be a huge discouragement to that type of hijacking

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    Actually, BW - I mean Xe - is in the process of negotiating a Maritime Security package with a number of companies and governments. A number of guys from my teams, guys who used to *cough, cough* spend a lot of time in or near the water, have been recruited. If/when this contract goes into effect, rest assured that there will be no ships that sign on for the program getting hijacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttruscott View Post
    The cheapest method would be to arm some crew and drop the weapons in the water at the 12 mile limit...beats ransom.
    I really like this idea. Very simple and cheap.

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    Some well intended ideas here.....Except

    Arming merchant ships is indeed prohibbited by International Law (Too bad). The Somolia Pirates are moving further and further off shore. Light to medium rifle rounds hardly a good defense against RPGs, their primary stopping persuading power backed by AK 47s.
    The ocean area of concern is 1,000,0000 square miles and today's multinational naval fleet force of 12 > 16 ships simply cannot cover it all.

    The sonic device referred to earlier was used by the Seabourne cruise ship a couple of years ago to some effect, but the ship putting the pedal down and turning away was the clincher. The problem with the sonic blaster and water cannons and the like is that the crew/operators are wide open.

    The discardable weapons idea, while clever & original, is that how to you get them aboard at a previous port of call which, in all likelyhood has a similar prohibition??

    My ONLY idea is escorted convoys ala WWII but even that is impractical considering shipping deadlines, various routes & destinations and limited escort resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaboatbum View Post
    Arming merchant ships is indeed prohibbited by International Law (Too bad). The Somolia Pirates are moving further and further off shore. Light to medium rifle rounds hardly a good defense against RPGs, their primary stopping persuading power backed by AK 47s.
    The ocean area of concern is 1,000,0000 square miles and today's multinational naval fleet force of 12 > 16 ships simply cannot cover it all.

    The sonic device referred to earlier was used by the Seabourne cruise ship a couple of years ago to some effect, but the ship putting the pedal down and turning away was the clincher. The problem with the sonic blaster and water cannons and the like is that the crew/operators are wide open.

    The discardable weapons idea, while clever & original, is that how to you get them aboard at a previous port of call which, in all likelyhood has a similar prohibition??

    My ONLY idea is escorted convoys ala WWII but even that is impractical considering shipping deadlines, various routes & destinations and limited escort resources.
    The inconvenience of doing convoys would be much better than the alternative (having the crew killed or having the ship delayed and paying millions in ransom).

    Set up two rally points well outside the range of the pirates and a designated shipping lane along the Somali coast. Assign a couple war ships to secure and protect the rally points. Every other day (or as needed based on the number of escort ships available and number of ships needing escorted) leave the rally point and head to the other rally point on the other side of Somalia. It would only take a few fast warships to protect the convoy, anything that comes within 10 miles of it gets blown out of the water.

    If shipping companies want the safe delivery of their cargo they have settle for the inconvenience of the convoy system, if not they are on their own.
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    The problem with that, Spooter, is that hundreds of ships go through that area every day. The geographic area and volume of traffic are both so vast that nothing short of a major fleet would be able to cover any sizable portion of it.
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    We put Air Marshalls on airplanes.

    I think we could put some military personnel on board American ships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spooter66 View Post
    The inconvenience of doing convoys would be much better than the alternative (having the crew killed or having the ship delayed and paying millions in ransom).

    Set up two rally points well outside the range of the pirates and a designated shipping lane along the Somali coast. Assign a couple war ships to secure and protect the rally points. Every other day (or as needed based on the number of escort ships available and number of ships needing escorted) leave the rally point and head to the other rally point on the other side of Somalia. It would only take a few fast warships to protect the convoy, anything that comes within 10 miles of it gets blown out of the water.

    If shipping companies want the safe delivery of their cargo they have settle for the inconvenience of the convoy system, if not they are on their own.
    Spooter66 That's an intelligent reply to my post #39...Thank you. I like it. The only down side I see is that a convoy would have to eventually break apart in multitude of different directions...Suez Canal, Kenya, Cape Town etc. Unlike the WWII scenario where every one is going from Point A to Point B. The diversity of ships (an owners) with various transit speeds and profit driven cargo deadlines would make this a monumental organizational challenge. Of only ?

    On reflection, I feel a shift in International Maritime Law is in order to allow vessel self protection at the shippers discretion.

    An usual thread to be sure in this valued Forum.

    Added: OPFOR in post 41 is spot on...I agree!

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