This is a discussion on Should Full Auto's Be Legal? within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; SWAT entry teams sometimes use SMGs, not for suppressive fire, but for accurate, effective fire. That does require a good deal of training, though. If ...
SWAT entry teams sometimes use SMGs, not for suppressive fire, but for accurate, effective fire. That does require a good deal of training, though. If I ever get a full-auto, it will probably be a 'fun gun', not a defensive piece.
There should be NO restrictions on any citizen owning one. The Bill of Rights intended us to be armed well enough to defend our country against foreign invaders equipped with the latest small arms, and to be able to prevent our own government from becoming tyrannical, or to replace a tyrannical government with a legitimate one.
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Better go find myself a "BAR" but it would just be for FUN if I did find one.
Should they be legal? YES.
Does a regular civilian have any real use for one (other than the pure adrenalin rush)? NO.
If any person could read and understand the Constitution then I do not understand how they could possible think that any firearms should be banned, or even controlled. The 2nd Amendment specifically says “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms” which, to me, indicates that it is referring to “the people”. It then says “shall not be infringed”, well isn’t a ban an infringement?
As to the use of an automatic weapon… anybody who has ever used a fully automatic weapon knows how hard it is to control them. After the first couple of rounds you are almost guaranteed to be off target unless you are using a mounted machine gun.
Even back when I was using the M16 they knew this, that is why we were taught to shoot in short bursts and release the trigger after only firing 3 – 4 rounds. They subsequently developed “burst mode” which fires fully automatic for only 3 rounds for each trigger pull. I am not familiar with what the Military is fielding now so I don’t know whether the current M16/M4 has a full auto or a burst mode.
Most good shooting ranges are qualified for type three III firearms.
They can't let you buy but you can rent and let you shoot an automatic. Usually a Mini SMG.
Most Gunsmiths, including myself, can easily change a semi-auto to an auto without too much work, but we don't because it is illegal without a type III ATF License.
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Great Topic, all very good Points!
"The 2nd Amendment specifically says “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms” which, to me, indicates that it is referring to “the people”. It then says “shall not be infringed”
I Agree BlackJack
Another Point the M4/M16 have 3 rd burst because of the control issue. MG like the SAW, 240G are used to suppress a target with a high volume of fire.
The way I read it the 2nd Amendment says that we people should be able to keep and bear arms, because militias are important, and our rights shouldn't be infringed.
So to me the arms we are allowed to keep and bear should be the type of arms we would use while serving in a militia - whether we do or not we still have the right to keep and bear the arms. I think a militia would be pretty likely to use full auto guns....so the 1986 ban was unconstitutional, and so is basically the entire BATFE....
That's just my opinion though - and worth what you paid for it. The U.S. Supreme Court Justices all make $217,000.00 a year - so you know how much you paid for their opinion when the Heller decision came out.
Also there is no such thing as a Benelli M5.
Agreed with the above post. For all civilians to have access to the same weapons as the military seems a bit dangerous...maybe with mandatory training?
I know this wont be a popular option, but I believe that a American citizen should be able to buy anything from a .22 to a howitzer. Now wait a sec though.
I feel that military grade weapons, full auto and above should have licenses, not registration. Thus to own one you would have to be licensed, but the gov should not know what exactly you have, only that you can buy it. The license is only there as proof of clean criminal record, and regular checks of this. Should the license be prohibitably expensive no, as in a CC license and a "Military Grade" weapon license should be the same price, should it need to be renewed yes.
The one part of this that falls apart and I do admit is, should it just be a criminal background test or possibly more?
I know not what this "overkill" means.
Honing the knives, Cleaning the longguns, Stocking up ammo.
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I shoot full autos all the time and the BS about it takes a lot of training and money to fire controlled bursts on target is just that BS.They went to a 3 shot burst trigger to eliminate firing long uncontrolled bursts It caused problems and they decided a better way was to teach people to shoot short bursts,It can be done with as little as one magazine of ammunition.Some people can fire a semi almost as fast as FA,Downside to FA you go thru ammo quick,even Special Ops have limited ammo and they conserve it by using semi and aimed shots with FA used to repel attacks/break contact
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If you can afford it, go for it! I don't see any problem with it.
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