Where Has All The Ammo Gone????

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    Where Has All The Ammo Gone????

    Published: May 16, 2009 12:00 am


    Police: Man said 30,000 bullets were for target practice He is held on $500,000 bail

    By Paul Tennant
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    HAVERHILL — Keni Garcia told police he intended to use the 30,000 bullets they found in his car and home for target practice.

    That is hard to believe, the prosecutor at Garcia's arraignment said, because if he were to fire a gun for eight hours a day, it would take weeks for him to use all of it.

    Garcia, who allegedly bought thousands of rounds of ammunition and had 10,000 bullets in his car when he was stopped by police Thursday, was ordered held on $500,000 cash bail yesterday.

    Attorney Socrates de la Cruz of Lawrence, who represented Garcia, 32, of 12 Freeman St., at his arraignment in Haverhill District Court, said he will appeal the high bail in Superior Court.

    Garcia is charged with three counts of possession of a high-capacity firearm, illegal possession of ammunition and illegal storage of a firearm. His case was continued until June 12.

    Assistant District Attorney Christopher Holland asked Judge Patricia Dowling to impose $750,000 cash bail.

    "He has no reason to stay here," Holland said.

    The judge ordered Garcia to surrender his passport, and said that if he makes bail he is not to leave Massachusetts.
    Garcia is a native of the Dominican Republic who was expected to become a U.S. citizen yesterday, but then he was arrested, authorities said.

    Police arrested Garcia after he had left Interstate 495 at Exit 49 Thursday. They said they found 10,000 rounds of ammunition in his car. His two young daughters also were in the car, police said.

    Holland said at Garcia's arraignment that a "joint effort" by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and state police found that Garcia had previously bought 20,000 rounds of ammunition in New Hampshire.

    Garcia told police he only intended to use the bullets for target practice at a rifle range, Holland said, disputing Garcia's explanation. His common law wife, Elizabeth Reynoso, consented to a search and police found another 20,000 rounds, Holland said. They also found one .38-caliber and two 9 mm handguns, and $25,000 in cash, Holland said.

    The prosecutor said all of the bullets seized from Garcia were for .38-caliber, 9 mm and .22-caliber firearms. Such ammunition is "like gold in the Dominican Republic," he said.

    Holland said Reynoso told police he had "a shipping type of business" and that the $25,000 in cash must have come from Garcia cashing a business check.

    "Where is the crime?" de la Cruz asked. The lawyer said Garcia had lived in New Hampshire for three years before recently moving to Haverhill.

    "He bought the guns legally," de la Cruz said. "He never hid the fact that he had them."

    Furthermore, de la Cruz said that when Garcia moved to Haverhill, he had a 60-day grace period to obtain a Massachusetts firearms card.

    "There is no crime committed," he argued, saying there was no evidence that Garcia was shipping guns or ammunition to the Dominican Republic.

    He asked the judge to allow his client "to go back to his job." He said Garcia has worked at a local bakery for three years.

    Yesterday, Freeman Street residents interviewed by The Eagle-Tribune said they did not know anything about Garcia or guns and ammunition being stored at or shipped from his home.

    Medline Abiles, of 43 Freeman St., who resides across the street from Garcia's house, said that in the two months she has lived in the neighborhood, she has not observed any weapons or ammunition and had no reason to be suspicious. Her sister, Carmen Reyes, who visits frequently, said she also had never noticed anything suspicious at the two-family house at 12 Freeman St.

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    Assistant District Attorney Christopher Holland asked Judge Patricia Dowling to impose $750,000 cash bail.

    "He has no reason to stay here," Holland said.

    The judge ordered Garcia to surrender his passport, and said that if he makes bail he is not to leave Massachusetts.
    Garcia is a native of the Dominican Republic who was expected to become a U.S. citizen yesterday, but then he was arrested, authorities said.
    There's more to this story than meets the eye. That's a serious bond.

    Arms trafficking, perhaps?

    Flight risk?

    I'd say he just screwed up his chance of U.S. citizenship.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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    Yeha something just don't sound right.

    $25,000 stashed and works at a local bakery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    There's more to this story than meets the eye. That's a serious bond.

    Arms trafficking, perhaps?

    Flight risk?

    I'd say he just screwed up his chance of U.S. citizenship.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    Yeah, I agree, there is more than meets the eye here and your right, it's probably trafficking.
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    Man accused of buying weapons arsenal - The Boston Globe

    A native of the Dominican Republic who was set to become a US citizen yesterday was instead sent to jail for allegedly buying guns and ammunition from New Hampshire without a license.
    So we should check Mass law I guess.

    The Houston Chronicle in Spanish says that the DA explained that Mr. Garcia was planning on shipping the guns and ammo to Dominican Republic. This also appears here:

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/bre...ill_man_c.html

    Police believe Garcia may have been shipping the weapons to the Dominican Republic, said Steve O'Connell, spokesman for the Essex district attorney
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    And....

    Cops: Man used fake ID for ammo, guns

    Cops: Man used fake ID for ammo, guns
    Thousands of bullets, three guns
    found in home


    HAVERHILL, Mass. (myfoxboston) - A Dominican man who was scheduled to become a U.S. citizen on Friday was instead arraigned in court after police say he purchased 20,000 rounds of ammunition and three high-capacity pistols and was not authorized to own weapons.

    Keni Garcia, 32, of Haverhill, also tried to buy 55,000 more rounds in N.H., police said.

    Garcia is not licensed to have any type of firearm or ammo in Massachusetts.
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    This one is a win for the good guys, no question this guy is up to something illegal, way to go LEO's.

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    Fake I.D....that's a big problem.
    Ten thousands rounds in his car? Not a problem, I've had the same at times.
    I'm sure that many here have multiple thousands of rounds...nothing strange about that...

    This guy must have been up to some other stuff, too...we'll see.
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    I'd personally like to know the actual laws this man has broken since if the story is correct, the two main charges involve firearms and ammo. If Mr. Garcia purchased his guns legally as his attorny stated I see a problem not just for him but all gun owners if this case goes forward. Also, whether he owns 100 or 100,000 rounds af ammo should not even be a consideration since I'm aware of no law limiting the amount of ammunition a private citizen can buy/own. Plus, I know of no law limiting the amounts of cash you're allowed to keep in your home.

    This whole thing sounds like a fishing expedition by the government. It would appear on the surface that while things may not "smell" right with Mr. Garcia, there doesn't seem to be - at least on the surface - any major federal law broken by this man. OTOH, Taxachusetts has a law (and tax) covering everything but your thoughts so there may be a state statute the DA/prosecutor can fall back on. If they (the government) have LEGITIMATE and LEGAL grounds to hold this guy, that's one thing but to hold him because something didn't look right to some government official is a different matter. Finally, just remember this, if they can do it to this man they can do it to the rest of us!
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    We have to remember this is the media that is printing this stuff,. They only print what will look bad in the average sheep's eye's,. I'm sure that the real story is something different if in fact there is a $500K bond,.. Owning handguns/ammo and having cash isn't enough to put someone in the slammer, unless there is something else brewing,. OR this is just another way to make people question how much ammo they are keeping on hand,. ???? Using him for a scape goat,. ??? God only knows,.. I'm sure we'll never know really what is going on...

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    Wow 30,000 rounds is not all that much really. I hope someday to have at least 10 times that - and it will all be for target practice. I sure wouldn't have it all in my car and go driving through Massachusetts after breaking a bunch of laws though.....

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    Time to quit hoarding and help make the prices go back down....as long as we keep up the "greed" buying, the ammo makers are going to continue to profit from our actions....and the average JOE gun guy gets screwed.
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    30k rounds seems like a quite reasonable amount to have on hand to me but I am sure the no2a types would think a person certifiable if they wanted more than 100

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