This is a discussion on High Capacity Mags & Pistols within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Grady, I lift a glass to you and your ability to provide a clear logical argument. Biker...
I lift a glass to you and your ability to provide a clear logical argument.
I'll bet this is the same argument that occurred in the 1800s when the Winchester repeating rifle was introduced.
My G19 with 15 rounds is all I need.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government--lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." --Patrick Henry
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I love my standard, and non standard capacity mags. My bersa has a 22 round mag, my sig226 has a 20 round mag. When it comes to mag size the more the better, because of one reason. You do not want to reload when being shot at, ever, so anything that puts that off as long as possible is a wonderful thing.
I know not what this "overkill" means.
Honing the knives, Cleaning the longguns, Stocking up ammo.
Thank you, Grady, for taking all the bits and pieces in our heads and combining them into one stunning tapestry of eloquence.
*adds a glass to the general chiming*
Life is about choices. One who chooses to attack without cause has also chosen to accept whatever defensive measures his target has readied. If this includes violence and death, so be it.
I don't want to sound too harsh, but there is no such item outside of the media called a "high capacity magazine". I feel there are normal capacity magazines and crippled capacity magazines. If a device is engineered correctly then there should be no reason to cripple it. By analogy, I consider it wrong to take a high performance sports car and cripple it by placing a speed governor on it.
The Second Amendment makes no distinction between Citizens and Public Servants, we are all equal and we are all Americans. Our freedoms must not be curtailed. We can all make the right decision with the equipment located between our ears. We must be free to choose.
Why do you think they call it a Glock 17? It was designed and engineered around the magazine and it's capacity. All G17s should have magazines that hold at least 17 rounds of 9mm. No other way about it. Twas meant to be.
Rob72 said it once but it bears repeating...Nobody that I've ever talked to or read about that has actually been in a gunfight has complained about having too much ammo! You either have it and you live or you don't and you don't.
"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." Ted Nugent
Hmmm.... You think ECHOONE will make a 20th post?
Oh, and +1 to what Grady said.
Kimber Ultra Carry II, Glock G23 & G36, Kahr PM9, Winchester 1300 Defender 12gauge pump (my favorite but hard to hide)
Ownership of a firearm with a high capacity magazine does not suddenly cause good folks to commit mayhem, and evil people still manage to rape, rob, and murder when the only tools at hand are sharp knives or blunt objects.
Anyone able to feed themselves or tie their own shoes knows that people who ignore the laws against murder and robbery will also ignore a law limiting magazine capacity. The only benefits of such an unconstitutional law would be to create a less hostile work environment for criminals, or to protect an increasingly tyrannical government from its subjects.
"If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Place on Earth!" Ronald Reagan
"Where do we Morally draw the line..."
We draw it where it belongs, when we understand the definition of morality.
It is moral to refrain from murder. To be moral is to be able to discern the principals of right and wrong behavior. To be moral is to be able to appropriately use a firearm's magazine. Its relative capacity is of no significance.
Man becomes immoral when he makes the choice to misuse an object to commit murder, whether he employs an ice pic or a belt-fed M 240.
Do not confuse morality and self control with an ill-considered and willing surrender to the control of others in some deluded attempt to promote fair and ethical behavior.
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“No possible rapidity of fire can atone for habitual carelessness of aim with the first shot.”
Theodore Roosevelt, The Wilderness Hunter, 1893
Grady I just read your post, You're my Hero for the Day! No benefits other than the knowledge that you got my full respect and admiration.
"I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, you can't prove anything!" Bart Simpson
"Where do we Morally draw the line..."
What does morality have to do with what a person carries? If I chose to put away my 3" knife and carry my 6" knife does that make me a bad person? What if I carry extra mags?
I hope you don't want our legislature to decide whats moral for each of us.