Springfield XD's - Single or double action?

Springfield XD's - Single or double action?

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    Springfield XD's - Single or double action?

    Been "debating" this with a buddy the past few days. I have read many articles that describe the Springfield XD as a single action pistol because the pulling of the trigger in no way helps cock or even move the striker. Cocking is done solely by the slide being racked back.

    Glock, on the other hand, I have understood to be SA/DA because the trigger pull does move the striker back just slightly aiding in the cocking of the striker before firing.

    True single action, to me, is like the old cowboy pistols in that the hammer is required to be manually pulled back and the trigger pull only releases the hammer and trigger pull will not re-cock the hammer.

    Can someone please shed some more light?
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    IMO the XD is single action, and guns like Glock and Kahr that complete the cocking of the striker before releasing it are neither SA or DA. I guess you could call them a hybrid of the two, but by labeling them SA/DA you infer the ability to cock the striker with a trigger pull. It takes both the slide, and the trigger to cock the striker.
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    It is a striker style pistol and is neither single nor double action. Think of it like a bolt action rifle, all the trigger does is release the striker. You wouldn't call a bolt gun single action would you? The terms do not apply to these type pistols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    It is a striker style pistol and is neither single nor double action. Think of it like a bolt action rifle, all the trigger does is release the striker. You wouldn't call a bolt gun single action would you? The terms do not apply to these type pistols.
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    IDPA classifies the XD as having a single action trigger, IIRC.

    Glocks are generally referred to as "safe" action.
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    Yeah, striker-fired weapons do not fall under the SA/DA designation...they are striker fired.
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    Hmmmm.

    If striker fired means no hammer, then there are striker fired guns which are DAO and DA/SA as well; e.g., SW 99 which is striker fired if I understand it right.

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    I have an XD , SA refers to it as a Ultra Safety Assurance Action Trigger System.

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    I think it's a "half of dozen of one vs. six of the other" issue.

    I consider the XD to be a single action, striker fired pistol, I consider the HK P7 to be the same only for the reason that ignition of the cartridge is a result of one single action that occurs when the trigger is pulled. Regarding a bolt action rifle...sure why not consider it single action. Unlike double action only, I don't think that a hammer is required to make a gun SAO as long as the firing mechanism requires only one action to make contact with the primer.

    That's just my opinion though, I don't think there's any solid answer on this.

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    In my opinion the XD's/Glocks/Kahrs are neither fish nor fowl. The true single actions have great triggers, very little to go wrong with the ignition process. True double actions have the ability to fire from an uncocked condition merely by pulling the trigger, no racking required, thus having 2nd strike capability (if that is important to you). The XD...actions require racking the slide a short distance, and the trigger moving the strikers a short distance before they will fire, thus being more complicated than single actions and lacking a true 2nd strike capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoFan View Post
    In my opinion the XD's/Glocks/Kahrs are neither fish nor fowl. The true single actions have great triggers, very little to go wrong with the ignition process. True double actions have the ability to fire from an uncocked condition merely by pulling the trigger, no racking required, thus having 2nd strike capability (if that is important to you). The XD...actions require racking the slide a short distance, and the trigger moving the strikers a short distance before they will fire, thus being more complicated than single actions and lacking a true 2nd strike capability.
    XD triggers, unlike Glock, do not move the striker at all before firing. Racking the slide does all of the striker cocking action. Trigger simply releases the striker.

    Springfield Armory website refers to the XD series as double action for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    XD triggers, unlike Glock, do not move the striker at all before firing. Racking the slide does all of the striker cocking action. Trigger simply releases the striker.

    Springfield Armory website refers to the XD series as double action for some reason.
    Thanks for the correction on the XD. It falls into the single action category then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoFan View Post
    Thanks for the correction on the XD. It falls into the single action category then.
    Right. Just like my single action Remington 700 bdl.
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    Honestly not sure why this is subject to such hot debate because the answer is very simple:

    Striker or Hammer can be either single, double or both, here's how you make the determination and the very definition of how to define it:

    Single action simply means that the trigger performs one single action - releasing the hammer or the striker - igniting the primer and firing a shot. Meaning that the hammer is already cocked back or that the striker is already back

    Double action simply means that the trigger performs two functions, it will move the striker or hammer back when you pull the trigger and when the hammer or striker is all the way back it will release it to ignite the primer and fire the round.

    Single / Double simply means that the trigger does both - so the trigger pulls the hammer back but once a shot is fired the hammer or striker remains back from the energy of the shot / slide re-positioning the hammer or striker back to the 'cocked' position and now the trigger will simply release the striker or hammer to fire the round.

    Hammer or Striker make no difference in how the action of the gun works.

    Yes, bolt action rifles are single action and semi auto rifles are single action, this only refers to trigger pull typically on pistols (with the exception of a few select rifles)

    There is a little controversy with some pistols such as the Smith and Wesson M&P series that some like to call Double Action because the trigger pull very slightly pulls the striker back to fire off the round, but the striker is re-cocked when the gun fires, even through it's very slight, the trigger technically performs two actions but it fires more like a single action than a double action. This is the outlier in my opinion but I'd personally still really call it a single action for the most part single historically double actions require a long heavy trigger pull for each shot.

    Hope this helps clear up some controversy.

    Sorry to necro post - Just was looking for the action on a gun that I've never owned and read this.

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    Single..............the trigger releases the firing pin but does not cock it.
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