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    Court Officials Turn to Guards, Identity Shields, Weapons to Handle New Threats


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    Threats to Judges, Prosecutors Soaring
    Worried Court Personnel Resort To Guards, Identity Shields, Weapons

    By Jerry Markon
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, May 25, 2009

    Threats against the nation's judges and prosecutors have sharply increased, prompting hundreds to get 24-hour protection from armed U.S. marshals. Many federal judges are altering their routes to work, installing security systems at home, shielding their addresses by paying bills at the courthouse or refraining from registering to vote. Some even pack weapons on the bench.

    The problem has become so pronounced that a high-tech "threat management" center recently opened in Crystal City, where a staff of about 25 marshals and analysts monitor a 24-hour number for reporting threats, use sophisticated mapping software to track those being threatened and tap into a classified database linked to the FBI and CIA.

    "I live with a constant heightened sense of awareness," said John R. Adams, a federal judge in Ohio who began taking firearms classes after a federal judge's family was slain in Chicago and takes a pistol to the courthouse on weekends. "If I'm going to carry a firearm, I'd better know how to use it."

    The threats and other harassing communications against federal court personnel have more than doubled in the past six years, from 592 to 1,278, according to the U.S. Marshals Service. Worried federal officials blame disgruntled defendants whose anger is fueled by the Internet; terrorism and gang cases that bring more violent offenders into federal court; frustration at the economic crisis; and the rise of the "sovereign citizen" movement -- a loose collection of tax protesters, white supremacists and others who don't respect federal authority.

    Much of the concern was fueled by the slaying of U.S. District Judge Joan H. Lefkow's husband and mother in their Chicago home in 2005 and a rampage 11 days later by an Atlanta rape suspect, who killed a judge, the court stenographer and a deputy. Last year, several pipe bombs exploded outside the federal courthouse in San Diego, and a drug defendant wielding a razor blade briefly choked a federal prosecutor during sentencing in Brooklyn, N.Y. In March, a homicide suspect attacked a judge in a California courtroom and was shot to death by police.

    "Judges today have dangerous jobs, and that danger has many dimensions," said David Sellers, a spokesman for the administrative office of the U.S. Courts. "They are worried about security and safety 24 hours a day."

    Although attacks on federal court personnel have not increased, the explosion of vitriolic threats has prompted a growing law enforcement crackdown aimed at preventing them. The U.S. Marshals Service, which protects judges and prosecutors, says several hundred require 24-hour guard for days, weeks or months at a time each year, depending on the case.

    "We have to make sure that every judge and prosecutor can go to work every day and carry out the rule of law,'' said Michael Prout, assistant director of judicial security for the marshals, who have trained hundreds of police and deputies to better protect local court officials, an effort that began last year with Northern Virginia and Maryland officers.

    "It's the core of our civil liberties,'' Prout said.

    State court officials are seeing the same trend, although no numbers are available. "There's a higher level of anger, whether it's defendants or their families," said Timothy Fautsko, who coordinates security education for the National Center for State Courts in Williamsburg and said threats are coming from violent offenders along with divorce, probate and other civil litigants.

    The threats are emerging in cases large and small, on the Internet, by telephone, in letters and in person. In the District, two men have pleaded not guilty to charges of vowing to kill a federal prosecutor and kidnap her adult son if she didn't drop a homicide investigation. The judge in the CIA leak case got threatening letters when he ordered Vice President Richard B. Cheney's former chief of staff to prison. A man near Richmond was charged with mailing threats to a prosecutor over three traffic offenses. The face of a federal judge in the District was put in a rifle's cross hairs on the Internet after he issued a controversial environmental ruling, judicial sources said.

    Hundreds of threats cascaded into the chambers of John M. Roll, the chief U.S. district judge in Arizona, in February after he allowed a lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants against a rancher to go forward. "They cursed him out, threatened to kill his family, said they'd come and take care of him. They really wanted him dead," said a law enforcement official who heard the calls -- which came from as far as Richmond and Baltimore -- but spoke on condition of anonymity because no one has been charged.

    David Gonzales, the U.S. marshal in Arizona, said deputies went online and found Roll's home address posted on a Web site containing threatening comments. They put the judge under 24-hour protection for about a month, guarding his home in a secluded area just outside Tucson, screening his mail and escorting him to court, to the gym and to Mass. "Some deputies went to church more in a week than they had in their lives," Gonzales said.

    Roll said that "any judge who goes through this knows it's a stressful situation" and that he and his family were grateful for the protection.

    The stress nearly overcame Michael Cicconetti, a municipal court judge in Painesville, Ohio, after police played a tape for him of a defendant in a minor tax case plotting to blow up the judge's house. "I hear a man's voice talk about putting a bomb in the house, and another voice says, 'What if there are kids involved?' and the first man says, 'They're just collateral damage,' " the father of five recalled.

    Cicconetti evacuated his family for a terrifying week in which they were under guard and stayed at friends' houses. "I couldn't go to work for two weeks. I was too shaken up. I couldn't think," he said. For months, the judge was nervous every time a car drove by his home. His children were afraid to go to bed; their grades dropped.

    The judge now has a security system in his home -- and a stun gun within reach in court.

    Sibley Reynolds, a state court judge in Alabama who prosecutors said was threatened last year by the son of a defendant convicted of stealing about $3,000 from a humane shelter, packs the real thing -- a Colt automatic pistol. He keeps it under his robe, in his waistband.

    "I don't go anywhere without my security with me," Reynolds said.

    Court officials could not say how often judges arm themselves. But the marshals have installed home security systems for most federal judges since the Lefkow incident, and many are removing their photos from court Web sites and shielding their home addresses. Senior U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan in the District said judges who have handled terrorism matters are hesitant to travel to the Middle East, or to South America if they've had drug-trafficking cases.

    U.S. District Judge Wayne Andersen in Chicago said he has "stopped even mentioning publicly that I have children. Normally, parents want to be visibly associated with their kids. Judges now think everything is on the Internet.''

    The Judicial Conference of the United States, the policymaking arm headed by the Supreme Court chief justice, will soon distribute a DVD with security tips. It will be called Project 365, for security 365 days a year.

    "Judges today are far more security-conscious than they ever have been," said Henry E. Hudson, a federal judge in Richmond who is working on the DVD. "I don't think it's at the point where it's interfering with their judgment and dedication to their jobs.''


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    Hmm...
    most of the Judges around here tote.

    Sounds like some of them are waking up.
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    I understand judges wanting to protect themselves, but I lose sympathy for the ones who do not support the common man doing the same thing.

    Our lives are as important to us as their lives are to them.

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    When part of your job is to deliver bad news to someone, like a judge sentencing a BG or an employer terminating a bad employee, you should take personal defense seriously. You never know when your name is up for retaliation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grady View Post
    I understand judges wanting to protect themselves, but I lose sympathy for the ones who do not support the common man doing the same thing.

    Our lives are as important to us as their lives are to them.

    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grady View Post
    I understand judges wanting to protect themselves, but I lose sympathy for the ones who do not support the common man doing the same thing.

    Our lives are as important to us as their lives are to them.
    +1 But not only judges, also the politicians and celebrities who carry or have body guards.

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    My soon to be brother-in-law is an Assistant DA and has received more than a few threats. Last summer he asked me to teach him to shoot, so I started him out with one of my revovlers, he took to it very naturally. I am encouraging him to get professional training and his CWP, which I think he's going to do after his wedding. He hasn't been able to buy a gun yet, he's just starting out and has some loans etc that eat all his money, so as a wedding gift i may help him out with this, I really like him and want him and my sister-in-law (wife's sister) to be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shooterX View Post
    My soon to be brother-in-law is an Assistant DA and has received more than a few threats. Last summer he asked me to teach him to shoot, so I started him out with one of my revovlers, he took to it very naturally. I am encouraging him to get professional training and his CWP, which I think he's going to do after his wedding. He hasn't been able to buy a gun yet, he's just starting out and has some loans etc that eat all his money, so as a wedding gift i may help him out with this, I really like him and want him and my sister-in-law (wife's sister) to be safe.
    Wow, that would be a great gift! He's lucky to have you for a brother-in-law.
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    Our small county Circuit Court Judge totes. He even qualifies with the Sheriffs Dept. and scores higher than most of them.

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    Some of the court houses in Georgia have escape hatches behind the judge that he can jump into if something happens in the court room.
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    With some of the sentences I've seen handed out in 'blue' states, you'd think the some of these judges would be getting Thank You gifts instead of threats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaowlpoop View Post
    Some of the court houses in Georgia have escape hatches behind the judge that he can jump into if something happens in the court room.
    I want an escape hatch!!!!

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    HEHEHE they would probably make us get a permit to have an escape hatch lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    With some of the sentences I've seen handed out in 'blue' states, you'd think the some of these judges would be getting Thank You gifts instead of threats.
    Darn good point, but those threats are probably coming from the victims, not the criminals in those cases.
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    I think we could send the judges a copy of the old Paul Newman movie "The life and Times of Judge Roy Bean", a Texas icon who brought law and order west of the Pecos back in the early days of the Texas republic.......

    If they ran their court rooms the way he did, criminals and crazies would think twice about threatening them.....
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