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    Is it just me or

    Does this slide look a little too good to be original blueing? Every old Colt I have seen had lide a more brownish blueing as opposed to the bluer blueing on this slide. Anyone follow me? Maybe a reblue at some time? Either way its still a 1913 army Colt, and I would love to be the owner.

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=44908836

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    It's just you. Not sure on the goof blueing. ;)

    Maybe it was well cared for and stored properly? To difficult to tell from that photo.

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    Where did that mag come from? Never seen one like that in 20+ years of military service!
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    The original two tone Lanyard Loop magazines are fetching some high dollars these days.
    They do pop up on Ebay now & again.
    I have one & wish that I had a couple more but, I'm sure not paying those winning bid prices.

    BTW: Lanyard Loop Reproduction magazines are being made these days too.
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    Wanna see something really strange, check this pic out. That 2 tone mag looks really different than any original I have seen.


    Also check out the auction, they guy is tring to pass this off as a 1914 all original pistol. I would still love to own this one as well.

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=45161293

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    I'm certainlt not an expert in gun finishes or 1911 military history, but the Guide Rod in this photo seems to demonstrate bluing. I thought this part was left un-blued from the factory???

    The rear sight in the other photo seems to have the identical tint of bluing found on the slide. I thought sights were manufactured by different company/division and blued before installment??


    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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    Question Still On Topic But, Additional Question

    What was the original intended purpose of this "Punch & Saw" cut-out on the top rear spine of the old Colt magazines?

    Maybe OD will know...I sure don't.



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    A M1911A1 slide on a M1911 Frame, hum. Looks like maybe a armory rebuild.
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=45296588

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    A M1911A1 slide on a M1911 Frame, hum. Looks like maybe a armory rebuild
    Bruce,

    It is an arsenal rebuild, look closely at the receiver just in front of the slide stop, you can make out the AA stamp, AA = Augusta Arsenal. The 1913 looks original to me, but it's not the best of photos and the UMC barrel would bother me.

    Where did that mag come from? Never seen one like that in 20+ years of military service
    Two-tone mags were used up until mid-1943 on USGIs and 1940 on Commercial Models.

    QK,

    The purpose of the punch-and-saw cut was, by punching a hole and making a saw cut just below the top rear edge, the lips could flex without stressing the corners thereby eliminating the cracks. The top rear corners were also rounded to help prevent cracking. Colt referred to them as "punch and slot," they are now more commonly known to collectors as "key hole magazines." They were issued up to mid 1913, near serial 40,000. You can get the lanyard loop mags from Metalform, I've bought some for my 1913.

    https://www.metalformmagazines.com/Magazine.asp?RID=1#
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruces45
    Wanna see something really strange, check this pic out. That 2 tone mag looks really different than any original I have seen.


    Also check out the auction, they guy is tring to pass this off as a 1914 all original pistol. I would still love to own this one as well.

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=45161293
    The serial number he gives places this gun in the, 10 May 1915 contract, it's not a '14 if he gave the correct serial number. 1915 Colt, 120567-125566, 5000 units. Mag looks phony to me.
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    OD where do you get your info from? I have searched and searched and can never find the info I am looking for. I am pretty good at spotting the nots on old 1911's, but feel like I should be also explaining why they are nots. Ya know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD
    The serial number he gives places this gun in the, 10 May 1915 contract, it's not a '14 if he gave the correct serial number. 1915 Colt, 120567-125566, 5000 units. Mag looks phony to me.
    I knew right off it wasn't a 14 as it dosn't have the round rear sight, but couldn't find exact serial # info to tell what year it was. I knew it was 15-18 though.

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    knew right off it wasn't a 14 as it dosn't have the round rear sight
    Yep, the hammer is also incorrect for a '13.

    OD where do you get your info from?
    Well, 30+ years of being a huge fan of the 1911s.

    Also, there are some excellent books on the M1911s, M1911A1s and the Commercials.

    The leading authority on them is Charles W. Clawson, he has several books about them;

    COLT .45 GOVERNMENT MODELS (COMMERCIAL SERIES), SECOND EDITION, 1912 THROUGH 1970, INCLUDING SUPER .38 AND .22 MODELS, PLUS NORWEGIAN AND ARGENTINE COPIES (ISBN: 0963397117)
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    COLLECTOR'S GUIDE TO COLT .45 SERVICE PISTOLS MODELS OF 1911 AND 1911A1: FROM 1911 TO THE END OF PRODUCTION IN 1945, COMPLETE MILITARY IDENTIFICATION, INCLUDING ALL CONTRACTORS (ISBN: 096339715X)

    also a little book by J.C. Harrison
    U.S. Pistols & Revolvers 1909-1945
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD
    Well, 30+ years of being a huge fan of the 1911s.
    Woh, thats longer than I been alive.

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    Woh, thats longer than I been alive.
    Geez, ya really know how to hurt a guy!
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