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Hey all...help settle a friendly debate I am having with my buddy. It all started when he commented on the way I carry (appendix/1:00) because it points down into my leg and if the pistol ever malfunctioned it would basically hit my artery and so on...
I told him unless it was operator error, this would never happen. I know the firing pin is offset but I don't understand the inner components well enough to actually explain and show why the pistol would not fire unless the trigger was pulled. (I am using a Kahr MK9, he has a Glock 30).
If anyone has a picture that would be even better. I am talking about the physics involved, (I feel like he is arguing something that goes against physics ....like the slide moving FORWARD when the gun fires. It just wouldn't happen unless someone physically sabotaged it...
Maybe he is just worried because he carries a Glock, one pistol that is among the easiest to fire if not handled properly?
"Engage your brain before you engage your weapon" - James "Mad Dawg" Mattis
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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Yes, a discharge should never happen, and you're banking your life on it. While carrying at three or four o'clock, the muzzle rarely points at a body part, and when it does it points to a calf or a foot. A discharge would not result in a life-threatening wound. This is the same reasoning why those shoulder holsters where the muzzle points behind you scare me. You're aiming at everything behind you!
This is just my opinion, and I'm sure others will disagree.
I don't see them any less safe than a revolver, which in many cases don't have a safety, just your finger!
It is as safe as the quality of the grey matter between your ears, grasshopper....
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry
if it happens it happens, chances are very unlikely, and when such things occur, its so rare that its all over the news... you have better chances of being in a fatal car accident.
nothing is 100%, but the risk does not outweigh the way you holster. simple as that...
Just ask him why he is so concerned. Your the one that is going to bleed out if your firearm decides to magically come to life and start shooting all on its own.
I will support gun control when you can guarantee all guns are removed from this planet. That includes military and law enforcement. When you can accomplish that, then I will be the last person to lay down my gun. Then I will carry the weapon that replaces the gun.
If the weapon is in a good holster, and one's finger isn't pressing the trigger...it'll take something with the improbability of spontaneous combustion inside the chameberd cartridge to make it go bang on it's own.
There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men.--RAH
...man fights with his mind; the weapons are incidental.--Jeff Cooper
There is a reason they try and make small bullets act like big bullets--Glockmann10mm
I agree with the "good holster/know your firearm" crowd. If your safety doesn't have a good positive detent and you have a two ounce trigger pull and/or the holster doesn't cover your trigger completely or your holster is very thin and supple and/or your always fiddling with it or the firearm you may have a problem. If none of the above apply you aren't in danger. I'd suggest taking your friend to the range and placing the unloaded, holstered, cocked weapon on the bench facing away from the two of you and attempting to get the thing to dry fire. Ought to stop the debate in about a half hour.