Guns and Boats II

This is a discussion on Guns and Boats II within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Ok, (Re: Guns and Boats (or just salt air)) so a Glock is Tenifer coated, and a Mossberg Mariner Shotgun won't corrode. Now lets say ...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 22

Thread: Guns and Boats II

  1. #1
    Member Array yoshi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Midcoast, Maine
    Posts
    115

    Guns and Boats II

    Ok, (Re: Guns and Boats (or just salt air)) so a Glock is Tenifer coated, and a Mossberg Mariner Shotgun won't corrode. Now lets say for a moment that you, your family, and another family are on a 100' (+-$3,000,000) sailing yacht, sailing around the world, visiting the South Pacific, Island hopping, generally enjoying yourselves for...say a year. (not purely hypothetical)

    There are 4 or 5 hotspots out there for modern pirates, (Suez to Horn of Africa, Java Straight and South China Sea, South Pacific islands and atolls, etc...). There are also drug runners, gangs, corrupt govts etc... You need to be able to dock in atleast some planned places (perhaps you plan them to be gun friendly) but no port in the world is going to let you in with a 50 cal machine gun mounted on your deck. (Some places, if you project a presence will not bother you, others you want a low profile).

    I know you are probably thinking that if it is a $3,000,000 sailboat what the H&*# am I doing, and why can't I afford a $50,000 weapon system - but lets say we are stuck with a realistic budget. (plus pirates aren't guaranteed)

    (I also wonder how MR. ANTIGUNGLOBALBANONALLFIREARMSGEORGESOROS protects his huge yachts)
    Live Free or Die

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #2
    VIP Member Array Bud White's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Away - Health Problems
    Posts
    17,353
    Couple Glocks couple of shotguns .. Shite load of ammo and some form of Highpowered Rifle

  4. #3
    VIP Member Array Rob72's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    OK
    Posts
    3,468
    Carry nothing you can't afford to ditch IMMEDIATELY, if being boarded by local customs. Being raped by pirates, or by their cousins, in the local clink? Hmmmmmmmmm....

    Couple of things I've heard good reports of are nail-planks, placed along the deck surfaces, at night. A flare gun, with LOTS of flares . A deck spout from the bilge......

  5. #4
    Ex Member Array BigEd63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Arkansas
    Posts
    318
    If you choose a high powered rifle make sure it's not in a "military" caliber. Other countries can be odd about that.

  6. #5
    Member Array duckhunter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Indy
    Posts
    262
    If I won the powerball on Saturday and was planning on taking my 100' yacht "Wet Dream" on a world cruise, there are a couple of possible courses of action I might take.

    1. Outfit the boat with a well-hidden arms locker stocked with quality, marinized small arms and ammo. Nothing too sexy, mostly along the lines that others have mentioned here or on other threads. Glocks, marine shotties, FALs, etc. An M79 40mm grenade launcher would be nice, but probably not feasible. Certainly not legally feasible.

    2. A boat that big is going to have a full-time crew, probably 3-5+ personnel. I would pick them carefully, hopefully finding some ex-Coast Guard types. Then I would invest in quality training for them, both boat handling and shooting schools. Before we left port, we would have a set of battle drills down cold for possible situations. One of them would be EMT qualified, with an assistant recruited from some "Baywatch" type outfit (blonde and smoking hot). Also a good chef.

    3. Before entering really high-risk waters, I would consider hiring a small detachment of trigger pullers (4-5 guys) from a "consulting firm" that could be flown out on a helicopter from a convenient port. They would be extra insurance, and integrated into the boat battle drills.

    4. Whenever possible, I would file a float plan with the nearest Navy base or at-sea task force, giving the standard info on route, timeline, etc. Not sure how to go about this, but with the kind of money I am planning on winning, I would figure it out.

    Anyway, that's my plan and I'm sticking to it... The wife and I are heading to the Bahamas this summer, taking my buddy's 35' center console from West Palm to Port Lucaya. We're just taking an 870 Marine and a .357 Smith, both of which will get registered when we hit port. While there are incidents in that part of the Bahamas, the bigger concern is probably running out of Corona.
    "Speed is fine, but accuracy is final." - Bill Jordan

  7. #6
    Senior Member Array '75scout's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    1,170
    GLOCK 17's or 21's for myself and crew plus either AR's, AK's, M1A's, FAL's, or CETME's. Probably the AK's due to reliablity. But I like the 308 better and the gun can be longer because you have got plenty of run to manuver on the open ocean. So maybe a full-size M1A would be best. Also Remington Marine Magnums with knoxx Spec-Ops stocks.

  8. #7
    VIP Member Array PatrioticRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Rigby, Idaho
    Posts
    5,142
    bigger concern is probably running out of Corona
    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Μολὼν λαβέ

    USN 78-82/USAF 82-93 Medically Retired
    Desert Shield/Desert Storm
    DAV Life Member
    NRA Life Member

  9. #8
    VIP Member
    Array srfl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    FL
    Posts
    6,870
    Excellent suggestions Duckhunter.
    USAF: Loving Our Obscene Amenities Since 1947

  10. #9
    Moderator
    Array Rock and Glock's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Colorado at 11,650'
    Posts
    12,217
    Nice lottery - must be Powerball! All of the crew mentioned (a la Baywatch) and weapons, Corona, plus a really nice wine cellar.

  11. #10
    Member Array yoshi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Midcoast, Maine
    Posts
    115
    been doing some more research, apparently the International Maritime Organisation (IMO) has an international convention against the use of firearms on merchant vessels.

    Of course a pleasure craft isn't a merchant vessel, but they don't address that issue, other than to say that they suspect many times more unreported pleasure craft pirate attacks per year than merchant vessels - with your chance of getting killed above 50% (but that use of firearms will raise that %)

    IMO and IMB recommended defenses to armed pirates:
    Water hoses, electric fences, complicity
    Live Free or Die

  12. #11
    VIP Member Array ExSoldier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Coral Gables, FL
    Posts
    5,776
    In 1995 I had a an article published by American Survival Guide magazine called Security At Sea it was one of my first paid writing gigs. For my research I wrote the Naval Warfare Center at Coronado, CA. This is the place where they train SEALs. One of their officers called me at home and said they couldn't answer my questions and further my questions reflected a measure of military knowledge so they were considered classified in the first place! I didn't quite understand their response so I asked my buddy, then stationed at SOCOM HQ and he said not to worry about it, they'd complimented me...sorta. I wrote the article with the help and pix supplied by the US Coast Guard. lol
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

  13. #12
    Member Array yoshi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Midcoast, Maine
    Posts
    115
    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier762
    In 1995 I had a an article published by American Survival Guide magazine called Security At Sea it was one of my first paid writing gigs. For my research I wrote the Naval Warfare Center at Coronado, CA. This is the place where they train SEALs. One of their officers called me at home and said they couldn't answer my questions and further my questions reflected a measure of military knowledge so they were considered classified in the first place! I didn't quite understand their response so I asked my buddy, then stationed at SOCOM HQ and he said not to worry about it, they'd complimented me...sorta. I wrote the article with the help and pix supplied by the US Coast Guard. lol
    Where might one find your article today?
    Live Free or Die

  14. #13
    VIP Member Array ExSoldier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Coral Gables, FL
    Posts
    5,776
    Stay away from both Cuban and especially Haitian waters! Their naval capabilities are tiny but the equipment on any sized civilian vessel is worth many times the combined pay of each crewmen and the captain of any patrol boat. They will board you, strip the boat of electronics and oh yeah....no witnesses. Piracy in that area is less prevalent now than in the 1980's. Back then, when I was fresh out of the army my friends used to hire me to crew their sailboats to Nassau and other areas, although they rarely set foot in those ultra high crime ports. I never provided my own weapons. Usually there was a Mini-14 SS and a couple thousand rounds of ammo in cans. A couple of Commander 45s also in SS and the infamous "engine room gun" a Weatherby 375 H & H Magnum. The idea being that a shot astern might puncture an engine to disable it, when loaded with FMJ 300gr solids.

    In this scenario, I'd hire a permanent chief of security, say a SEAL Petty Officer. Pay him enough that he doesn't get the idea to sell out. I'd still sleep with my H&K USP under my pillow.

    Okay this is the MAGIC POST #2000 what happens now?
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

  15. #14
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,482
    Looks like you're a VIP Jim - plus a huge hole in the ground will soon open - and swallow you whole
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  16. #15
    VIP Member Array ExSoldier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Coral Gables, FL
    Posts
    5,776

    American Survival Guide magazine

    Quote Originally Posted by yoshi
    Where might one find your article today?
    I have no idea. I kept a copy of course. But the 'zine went belly up. This was sorta before the internet went big, but it might be online. I kept all three of the articles I wrote for them. Another on Chemical Warfare and terrorism in 1991 (did I call it or what?) and yet another on Hurricane Andrew.
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Steven Crowders "GUNS, GUNS, GUNS"
    By TerriLi in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: May 6th, 2009, 03:43 PM
  2. About boats...
    By Wheel-man in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: June 26th, 2007, 07:53 AM
  3. Raising children with guns vs. toy guns...
    By Vegas in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: February 9th, 2007, 11:15 PM
  4. Guns and boats (or just salt air)
    By yoshi in forum General Firearm Discussion
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: March 27th, 2006, 11:59 PM

Search tags for this page

$3,000,000sailboat
,
gun yachts ditch your gun in the ocean before portn
,
guns for defence on sailboats
,
guns on boats maine
,
marinized shotguns
,

rifles for disabling boats

Click on a term to search for related topics.