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    When a Mag Safety Would Count...

    Gun fired during cleaning hits 2 brothers

    Associated Press - August 15, 2009 7:04 AM ET

    BRADENTON, Fla. (AP) - The Manatee County Sheriff's Office says two brothers were shot by the same bullet when a 9 mm pistol that 1of the siblings was cleaning discharged.

    According to the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, deputies say 17-year-old Logan Ashley didn't clear the chambers of the firearm he was cleaning Friday and pressed the trigger on the gun.

    The bullet hit 20-year-old Randall Ashley in the leg after it passed through Logan Ashley's leg. They were both taken to a hospital.


    Hmmm... a counter story to those who think a Mag safety is a waste...
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    I am not a fan of magazine safeties, and maintain that some proper firearms training would be a lot more effective than a magazine safety would have been. The brother cleaning the gun obviously didn't have it pointed in a safe direction, treat the weapon as if it were loaded, and keep the finger straight and off the trigger until he was ready to fire the weapon.
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    Clearing a weapon before handling is a must...both visually, and manually...the most important safety is the one between your ears.

    Of course, all other rules of gun safety do apply.

    If I want to know that a gun is ready to be handed to someone or prepared for cleaning, I 'personally' open, clear visually, and place my finger inside to confirm what I see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenSaber View Post

    Hmmm... a counter story to those who think a Mag safety is a waste...
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    The mag safety may have stopped that particular neglagent careless wounding of 2 people but a person that will not make sure the gun is properly cleared to clean will later find a way to have a different neglagent discharge. Training is the right answer.
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    I'll bet he will never touch a gun again without clearing it first. Its a hard lesson but a lesson he'll never forget.
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    Got that right......

    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL View Post
    I am not a fan of magazine safeties, and maintain that some proper firearms training would be a lot more effective than a magazine safety would have been. The brother cleaning the gun obviously didn't have it pointed in a safe direction, treat the weapon as if it were loaded, and keep the finger straight and off the trigger until he was ready to fire the weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenSaber View Post
    Hmmm... a counter story to those who think a Mag safety is a waste...
    I'm of the opinion that it's merely a salve to PC conscience and ignoring the root of the problem. A magazine safety won't correct unsafe handling. And, unsafe handling is likely to get the unsafe handler at some point, no matter how many Band-Aids are put in place. Worse still, it's just as likely to harm someone else.

    Had the poor yutz simply emptied the dang thing instead of attempting to clean it while loaded, he wouldn't be in the position he finds himself.
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    It was just a matter of time,they apparently don't practice safe gun handling and it came back to bite them
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenSaber View Post
    Hmmm... a counter story to those who think a Mag safety is a waste...
    IMHO a Mag safety is great for LEOs who must as a matter of course engage BG up close and physically -- potentially losing their sidearm to one when things go south.

    However, as someones signature says, "The plural of anecdote is not evidence." And I see little evidence of their need to prevent NDs and little need for most non-LEOs.
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    I agree... other than LEO's I don't think mag safeties solve anything...
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    As I posted in the other thread, you're better off not having it because when you need a gun, you need it now. When you clean a gun, you can take several minutes to clear it ten times in a row. Then clear it again right before you pull the trigger and shoot 2 people in the leg with one magic bullet.

    The trade off is risking having a useless weapon for the benefit of not having to be careful clearing your weapon (which is really no benefit at all).

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    Indeed, the problem here was pointing the weapon at someone whom one did not wish to destroy. A magazine safety can actually enable one to continue to practice bad behaviour, thus reinforcing the behaviour.

    I would bet that Mr. Stupid, in this case, also tended to point guns WITH magazines in place, in unsafe directions, too.
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    "while cleaning the gun" - I know of no one who would clean a gun with a round in it. How the heck do you clean the dirty parts with a round in the chamber? And if it is one of those dumb designs where you have to pull the trigger to disassemble it, you drop the mag, rack the slide as many times as your magazines hold rounds, lock the action open, visually check the chamber, physically check the chamber, then point it in a safe direction to pull the trigger.

    "It went off while I was cleaning it" is an excuse for negligent discharges, most likely while someone was doing something they shouldn't have.

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