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Only for some, whether due to balance, strength, length of arms, comfort level, the stars aligning or whatever.The modified Weaver is the best SD shooting platform...
I've tried most positions. While under stress and when tired, I generally seem to perform better with a simple isosceles method (think Ayoob's StressFire), at least for brief periods, and only so long as I'm not moving (to cover) quickly; though, I'm far more comfortable and generally more accurate with a modified Weaver. But that's just me.
I use a modified Iso. Even when moving, this stance is the default.
I face the threat squarely and have my right foot back a bit and on the ball of the right foot. Think of it as setting up for the Crazey Monkey defense.
I started doing this when I started training for combatives.
I use the same stance in H2H, knife, stick or gun fighting. Makes everything simple.
Besides, in a recent class, Larry Lindenman showed us how easy it is to take someone down if they are in a bladed stance.
In any kind of fighting, footwork is king.
fortiter in re, suaviter in modo (resolutely in action, gently in manner).
It's funny, I have no idea what stance I use, I just stand how I like, but it's always like this....left foot forward at pointing to my right side, right foot rear and pointed to right side*all lower body turned to my right),torso turned left so my upper body is facing forward,right arm almost straight and left arm bent, right hand on the grip left hand on my right hand, like pushing with my right and pulling with my left. Is this the modified weaver stance?
Be familiar with and practice both, though you should practice more with the one you prefer.
The Iso has proven to be superior in competition, but as everyone here should already know, competition is a whole different animal than self-defense situations.
If you're a competition shooter, the Iso needs to be your primary.
In self-defense situations, I believe the modified Weaver is a perfectly viable option.
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~ Massad Ayoob
I was taught modified weaver, and it works for me, so that's what I use. I haven't messed around with different shooting stances so I can't comment on the iso.
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I'm a modified Weaver fan & here's why:
(in no particular order)
1) Bladed stance toward target- similar to fight stance, turns body to give less of a target to BG.
2) Also allows for easier retreat that isosceles.
3) Firearm closer to body- it also keeps firearm farther away from BG.
4) Aids me with cross eye dominance (left-handed, right eyed).
5) Easier (for me at least) to move while shooting.
6) Aids in controlling recoil.
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It has been said that the stance you take up in a real life encounter is akin to your positioning when you walk into a spider web, kind of off balance and surprised. I don't think that's truly accurate but it does have some merit.
I learned weaver stance in the Marine Corps over (gasp) 20 years ago. I switched to a modified Iso about 8 years ago. Iso transitions much better into rifle, sub-guns and shotguns.
A stance is a stance and static by nature. A "platform" is a highly individualized combination of everything you have in your little tactical toolbox. My "platform" is a hybrid combo of Iso, Weaver, Center Axis Relock, point shooting techniques and low-light maneuvering etc.
Depending on the situation I'm in-I switch it up. A good example is in a building search where, depending on doors, corners and hallways etc., I use a bit of everything I know.
Make your walking stance your fighting stance and your fighting stance your walking stance. ~Musashi
If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly. ~Gabe Suarez
Training means learning the rules. Experience means learning the exceptions.
I prefer the modified Weaver Stance.
Rest in peace Jack.
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If I'm teaching a new shooter, I tend to teach the iso initially......and if they're not likely to progress to the point of putting in much practice beyond maintaining the most basic competence, that's where it usually ends.
I've been shooting a mod Weaver forever though. It's comfortable for me. I shoot it reasonably well, and it's completely intuitive. In short, it works for me and I wouldn't even try to change.
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I actually use my own personal stance. I've found that a modified T stance from kungfu gives me the best stability for standing shots, as well as allowing me to quickly move out of the way. Kinda funny most of my shooting stances are modified versions of kungfu stances. You spend 4+ hours a day standing in a single stance for years it kinda becomes default on everything.
I know not what this "overkill" means.
Honing the knives, Cleaning the longguns, Stocking up ammo.