Talk about a total screwup, in DC of all places.
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Talk about a total screwup, in DC of all places.
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If his intentions were malicious, I'm glad they caught him.
I'm always amazed by people who consent to a search they don't have to consent to. I don't carry anything in my car that would be illegal, ever. For that matter, I don't have anything anywhere that would be illegal, ever. But I would never consent to a search, on principle. There's no reason to search my car. Does refusing consent give probable cause? That would be a Catch 22.
"was charged with having an unregistered firearm and ammunition"
Since when was ammunition illegal?
Yikes, He's from where I grew up!
Pardon the pun, but I'm pretty sure this is going to back-fire on the Obama administration.
Since when does a shotgun and ammunition need to be registered? I am also pretty sure that it's legal transport a firearm in one's trunk. As for taking it into a secured area, well, that's not too smart.
I've been to D.C. and they are pretty nutty about security. I think I'd leave my guns at home, or not go there.
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I have a feeling this guy found himself heading into a restricted area by surprise. I know that sometimes with special events it's easy for traffic patterns to change without too much lead-time. Easy to wind up heading into an area you weren't planning to be and takes some time to get back on course.
Hard for me to believe he had bad intent:
- He had a shotgun as opposed to a rifle so likely he wasn't planning to 'reach out and touch someone'.
- It was in his trunk not readily accessible.
- He was from Virginia not from D.C. so may have been ignorant of the event traffic pattern and maybe even the DC weapon restrictions, - He consented to the search...
I have a bad feeling he was "overtaken by events" and is now going to be punished for his carelessness.
Being in "Code White" can hurt in many different ways.
1) don't consent to a search.
2) don't explain anything.
YouTube - Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1
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However, in a Terry Stop LEO can pat you down for their own safety and check to for weapons that you may have easy access to.
If they say they want to check your car for weapons for their safety, ask to exit the car and be patted down for their safety and decline the search of the vehicle.
OTOH, in this case he was voluntarily entering a property, which required consent to search as a condition of entering. The voluntary action of entering such property (e.g., federal property) is voluntarily granting consent. The short article isn't all that detailed and the press often blurs details, however, his "giving consent" could have been the act of entering the parking lot.
BTW -- INAL and am repeating advice from those more studied than I.
Last edited by DaveH; September 11th, 2009 at 12:00 PM. Reason: Clarified "giving consent" and spelling
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Thanks, appreciate it. I just looked at the other thread. It was interesting.
According to the article I read he was several blocks from where Obama was and probably wasn't even planning to go anywhere near but got caught up in an unexpected road block.
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Ok, with the big "stink" the Dems made over protesters with weaps outside town-halls, why wasn't this beat to death in the main stream media?
I smell a rat on this one. I wouldn't be surprised a bit if it wasn't staged. Seriously, they're just little blurbs here and there...and very few at that. But the buy that had the pistol on his leg and the one with the AR on his back had multiple articles and interviews in the media.