Handling a firearm at a gun shop
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September 23rd, 2009 05:54 AM
As infrequently as I do buy guns I make sure to check to ensure that the weapon is unloaded. I return it to the person who handed it to me in the same condition.
In the case of a revolver, the cylinder is open. If a semi-auto, the slide is locked back & open after checking for a round in the chamber. The one rule of thumb I always follow is that I ALWAYS assume the handgun is loaded until I verify it is unloaded.
You cannot be too safe when it comes to firearm safety.
Mod's, pardon the slight misdirection of this thread. My younger brother has agreed to accept my firearms in the event of my very untimely demise. I have to sit down with him in the next few weeks and explain how each of my handguns/rifles function. The most important issue I'll be covering with him is firearm safety. He has to know how to verify the status of my firearms prior to handling them under the circumstances.
He's a beginner/novice when it comes to firearms safety so I'll have to "spoon feed" him how to safely handle my guns. I don't want him to have a terrible accident.
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September 23rd, 2009 05:54 AM
September 23rd, 2009 06:46 AM
I always check when handed a firearm. They are all loaded until I have personally checked and verified they are unloaded.
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September 23rd, 2009 09:09 AM
Years ago I was handed a used .45, by a young man behind the counter at a Pawn shop where I used to buy a lot of guns. It was pretty worn but was priced to sell and it was cheap.
He did a fair job of it, he turned away,racked the slide back and removed the empty magazine. He then handed it to me.
Without even thinking, I looked into the chamber and lo and behold, there was a live round in it. I held the gun down and re racked the slide to eject it and there it stayed.
Come to find out, that gun had been checked several times by various individuals and NONE of them noticed the live round. The extractor had been damaged to the point that it would not extract the round.
I brought it to his attention and he freaked out. The owner of the shop's face turned pale as he realized what could have happened. He took the gun and put it in the back of the shop where he fixed guns and extracted that live round and eventually replaced the extractor.
It was miraculous that someone didn't pull the trigger to see how it felt. Had that happened, there is no telling what could have happened.
I learned right then and there, I don't care if a gun has been checked a hundred times, I WILL check it myself.
Another time, I was at a gun show in at the Little Rock Fairgrounds and a dealer shot off a Raven .22. The bullet went through a table, bounced off of the concrete and stuck somewhere up in the roof. After that you could have heard a pin drop. There was several thousand people in attendance, it was standing room only. That was another miracle.
The thing was, the gun had been checked by security and had the customary zip tie run through the open slide. The dealer bought the gun, cut the zip tie off, dropped the slide and the slide motion fired the .22 round. That round was in the chamber the whole time and no one noticed it, not even the dealer.
A gun is a machine and that machine ,like any other machine, is prone to mechanical failure. Sometimes it results in a discharge. More often, that machine performs exactly as it is supposed to and bad things happen because the person operating it lacked the skills to do so.
You have got to be smarter than the machine and check the thing every time someone hands one to you. Its the only way to be safe, there is no other way.You cant assume that it is safe and you cant trust anyone else to do it for you.
Most of us remember the ATF agent that told the class that he was the only one "professional enough" to carry a gun and a minute later he shot himself in the leg with the Glock .40 in front of a class room full of kids.
What most people missed was the fact that he showed the gun to a teacher and asked him to confirm it was clear. The teacher said that it was.
The agent did not know if that teacher knew how to check for a live round, he just ASSUMED that he did and he took him at his word. That was his first mistake. His second mistake was believing it. His third mistake was a negligent discharge and he was lucky that he only shot himself and not some other.
The bottom line is this...
It is YOUR responsibility to always check for a loaded gun, no one else's. If you bust a round off and bad things take place, YOU will be the one sued, not the person that handed it to you. If someone dies, YOU will be the one charged, and no one or nothing else will matter.
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September 23rd, 2009 09:18 AM
I always check the chamber, no matter what! I guess I do this because as a kid starting out with firearms that was drilled in my head time after time.
I don't think a gun shop employee will be offended by this action, at least I have not notice any!
September 23rd, 2009 09:23 AM
As a matter of firearms safety discipline I always check. Even if I just watched him do it, I check it just because that is what I do. No one thinks worse of you for strictly following safety rules, and you'll live with the shame and consequences if something were to happen because you failed to check.
September 23rd, 2009 09:45 AM
If I'm standing there and he clears the weapon and hands it directly to me, then no, I don't feel the need to verify what my eyes just saw. On the same note, if he does anything else other than hand it to me right then, then yes I'll clear the weapon again.
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September 23rd, 2009 09:47 AM
The only time I won't drop the magazine and rack the slide, is if the salesperson left the mag out and slide locked back. Dropping the mag and racking the slide is habit and I don't intend to change it. Not that I don't trust the salesperson, just not taking any un-necessary chances.
September 23rd, 2009 10:13 AM
My father taught me to always clear any gun that was given to me. This was true even if he was the one giving me the gun! That made an impression on a 8-9 year old. Thanks Dad.
September 23rd, 2009 10:16 AM
Most of the gun shops I deal with hand it to you with the slide back, cylinder open. I visually inspect it, operate the action myself, then proceed.
If I'm at the range, or someone's house then my SA or gun handling awareness goes way up. Now I'm visually and physically inspecting it. Often more than once.
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September 23rd, 2009 10:21 AM
You can't be wrong checking the chamber yourself. Your saftey is ultimately your responsibility.
September 23rd, 2009 10:25 AM
Me too. Dad was a great teacher, safety first and always is his plan. I learned the 4 rules long before I was ever allowed to even touch one of his guns, and it stuck with me. Now it's my turn to teach my daughter and she has learned the rules so well she can recite them in her sleep. After that we progressed to dry fire at home, with Mom the hawk watching over her and her habits. Not once did she break a rule. Then came the fun stuff at the range. She loves going and firing whatever we let her shoot. So far that's been hubby's AR-15, my Ruger MK III, a Glock 19 and last week a .45 carbine we rented. If you hand her a firearm, the first thing she does is check to make sure it's not loaded, even after she has just watched you unload it, and recheck it.
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September 23rd, 2009 10:38 AM
Even if I watch someone check it, hand it to their buddy and he checks it, he hands it to his manager and she checks it, when it gets handed to me, I check it.
It's habit, backed by good common sense.
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September 23rd, 2009 11:01 AM
I've always double checked anything handed to me, and after reading these stories, I see no reason to change.
September 23rd, 2009 01:42 PM
This should be a "STICKY".
There are classic real world examples of how things go wrong. If possible I nominate this post for such an honor.
Originally Posted by HotGuns
September 23rd, 2009 05:09 PM
Habit is the key. Always check yourself. Establishing/building upon the habit is as important a goal as clearing the gun itself.
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