Handling a firearm at a gun shop
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If the clerk tries to hand it to me in any other ...
September 23rd, 2009 05:16 PM
I will not accept a firearm unless it is action open, magazine out.
If the clerk tries to hand it to me in any other condition, I politely ask, "can you lock that slide back for me?"
I've never had a gun store guy get mad yet, not that it would matter.
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September 23rd, 2009 05:16 PM
September 23rd, 2009 05:53 PM
I used to work in a gun store and we never kept the clips in any of the guns in the counter. And when we would show a gun to a customer we would always open the slide or leave the cylinder open and show the customer that the chamber was empty. And when they handed the gun back to us we would check the chamber or the cylinder.
September 23rd, 2009 06:05 PM
+1, most all the dealers I can remember purchasing from do it the same way. I have to actually ask for the mag to inspect it for quality. I've only made one purchase at a gun show and the mag was with the pistol.
Originally Posted by maxwell
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September 23rd, 2009 06:34 PM
Its up to you. What is your point?
September 23rd, 2009 07:06 PM
When teaching a firearm handling & safety course as in 'Basic Hunter Education' we instructors teach students a method for just such an interaction.
Originally Posted by ExactlyMyPoint
The rule is upon receipt of _any_ firearm from _anyone_ (including an instructor) as anywhere (including in class) is to:
A) Upon putting hand to firearm state to the transferee; "Thank you!" while looking them in the eye to confirm receipt and thus possession.
B) If not performed prior (most optimal!), do a manual tactile check of the bore to check for a casing. Use your smallest finger/pinky to do this. Not all casings are brass colored. Others do come in _black_ and any under dark light can be difficult to see.
Do not simply assume, as the recipient, that a handguns ejector is functioning properly and that it's clear because you saw it being racked as otherwise...
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And always chamber check _any_ gun to ascertain it's condition rather than assuming that it's empty...
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September 23rd, 2009 07:15 PM
I always check for myself. I have offended a couple of people who thought me doing it was my way of saying I did not trust them, I told them if it upset them, then I was sorry, but I like to be safe.
Back when I was new to firearms, I bought a cheap .22 pistol. A friend who was also new to them, me and our wives went to the shooting range. We shot my Glock, his Beretta and the .22. Got back to my house, he asked to see the .22, I check it, handed it to him and he asked if it was unloaded, I said yep, I checked. I just did a quick visual inspection. He decided at the last second to check for himself, it sure enough there was a round in the chamber, and it was us, our wives and our kids all in that room. It could have been very bad. I blamed the .22 for not having a slide lock, I paid over 200 for it that day, the next day, i sold it for 50. I realized how quick one of those kids could have been killed and did not ever want to see that gun again.
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September 23rd, 2009 07:29 PM
Always. If anyone gets bent or offended by that ... tough.
Originally Posted by ExactlyMyPoint
My safety is my concern. From the moment I touch a gun, everyone else's safety is also my concern. It's a rule that doesn't go out of style.
Anytime I pick up a firearm, I feel compelled to open it up and double-check for myself that it's clear. If I don't, then we don't have a two-person system in place, which is by definition less likely to catch any problem. Particularly in a gun shop setting, where staff are very used to doing this all day long, I would MUCH prefer to double-check it myself. I mean, why not? No harm, no foul ... and we both help keep things safer.
Recall the checklist in larger aircraft, in which the pilot and co-pilot double-check that the list is done properly, as it's done. 'Cause if you fail, you fall out of the sky. There is no room for error, just as with firearms.
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the number of victims?
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September 23rd, 2009 07:30 PM
September 23rd, 2009 08:01 PM
No. I'm satisfied.
At this point, do you feel compelled to check the gun again to verify it is not loaded or was that sufficient?
September 23rd, 2009 08:56 PM
You can never be to safe.It pays to double check.
September 23rd, 2009 09:11 PM
If it's checked right before it's handed to me...visual and manual check...fine with me.
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September 23rd, 2009 09:16 PM
I developed the habit of checking it myself. I'm convinced that many a unloaded gun have discharged, sometimes with terrible consequences. I don't want that happening to me.
September 23rd, 2009 09:25 PM
You should always check even if it's an exercise in futility. There's no such thing as "too safe" when it comes to firearms.
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