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    Dangerous Gun Salesman?

    I'm in the local big-box sporting goods store the other day looking over what they have to offer (you know, to see if there's anything I can't live without), and I ask the salesman if I can take a look at one of their 1911s. I had spoken with this gentleman a few times, and had come to the conclusion that he was a bit of a blowhard know-it-all, but well-intentioned and an overall good guy. This time, he got me a little concerned. The 1911 was the Taurus clone, and while handling it, I noticed that the safety was a little too loose for my liking. If I'm going to have a pistol with a manual safety, I want it to be very similar to a double-action trigger...if it comes off, I want to make sure that I meant for it to come off (especially on a 1911). I explained what I didn't like to the salesman, and he proceeds to tell me that he wouldn't carry it with the safety on because it gives "young guys like me too much of a head start" (I'm 36). I tried explaining to him that the 1911 is a single-action pistol, and that the thumb safety is there for that very reason. He basically blew me off...apparently this "young guy" wasn't going to tell him anything. So, here's my dilemma: I know that I would never carry a 1911 without the safety fully engaged, but what about someone who doesn't know anything about them and assumes this guy knows his stuff? I'm not looking to get the guy fired...like I said, he's basically a good fellow, but I've already tried to explain to him why carrying a 1911 with the safety off is a really bad idea, and he wouldn't hear any of it. Obviously the thing to do is to have a little chat with the store manager to suggest to him that the salesman educate himself on the operation of the pistols he's selling before he gets someone killed...just wondering if anybody has any other recommendations that might work better?
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    It seems he is a bit set in his ways, as long as he isn't attempting to get everyone in the store to subscribe to the "crazy gun store guy's theory of 1911s", its his funeral so to speak.

    Everyone in their right mind knows that carrying a 1911 condition 1 with the thumb safety off is madness. The poor sap is going to end up shooting himself in the butt, or worse.
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    The firearm comes with an instruction manual,and people are responsible to educate themselves about their firearms,But I gotta agree I see a lot of people trying to sell guns they know absolutely nothing about,usually minimum wage employees.I would let the manager know that his employee is giving out dangerous advice on how to carry a firearm that could result in them getting sued
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    uh, I admit I some times I am a smartass, and ... uh, I can't some times pass up an opportunity to have a little fun...... soooooooooo

    I may have been asking him different questions like ;
    How many times you shot yourself so far ?
    Does your wife keep your life insurance paid up ?
    Do you have good liability insurance so when someone follows your advice and then you get sued for such stupidity they can collect ?
    Do you have 'any' return customers with that kind of advice ?
    How many people have you advised that ended up in the hospital ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    uh, I admit I some times I am a smartass, and ... uh, I can't some times pass up an opportunity to have a little fun...... soooooooooo

    I may have been asking him different questions like ;
    How many times you shot yourself so far ?
    Does your wife keep your life insurance paid up ?
    Do you have good liability insurance so when someone follows your advice and then you get sued for such stupidity they can collect ?
    Do you have 'any' return customers with that kind of advice ?
    How many people have you advised that ended up in the hospital ?
    I won't lie...the thought crossed my mind as well.
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    No Insurance $ for U

    Insurance would NOT pay? Stupidity is a PREEXISITING condition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    The firearm comes with an instruction manual,and people are responsible to educate themselves about their firearms,But I gotta agree I see a lot of people trying to sell guns they know absolutely nothing about,usually minimum wage employees.I would let the manager know that his employee is giving out dangerous advice on how to carry a firearm that could result in them getting sued
    I agree that it should be the responsibility of gun owners to educate themselves and not rely solely on what they've been told, but there's way too many people out there who haven't ever bothered to read a manual for anything, and aren't about to start. And you know there are ambulance chasers out there just drooling for an opportunity to represent some poor innocent victim that relied on the knowledge of the salesman and ended up shooting themselves. For that matter, there's probably more than a few people out there willing to put a .45 through their foot just for the opportunity to milk a healthy lawsuit out of the deal.
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    YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!

    I wouldn't waste my time trying to educate the bugger.

    I would however have a nice friendly chat with the Manager, or send a letter to corporate, to the chief "bobblehead" of that department, outlining the situation and, "As I'm sure you are aware, the 1911 and it's clone type pistols, which your company sells, were designed by John Moses Browning to be carried with the safety engaged. The advice being given by your salesman places your company in a bad liability situation that I would hate to see happen if someone were to follow your salesman's advice."

    You have now made Stupid somebody else's problem and the document can become legal evidence of prior knowledge if they disregard your letter. In short, you have made them aware of a problem. If they choose to do nothing about it, that's their problem.

    There is a reason I used the word YOUR a lot. I'm in hopes that it will "hit home" so to speak, and wake them up to a problem they have.

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    Maby he should be working at Mc Donald's insted

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDTAIL View Post
    Maby he should be working at Mc Donald's insted
    Probably couldn't 'load' a burger either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!

    I wouldn't waste my time trying to educate the bugger.

    I would however have a nice friendly chat with the Manager, or send a letter to corporate, to the chief "bobblehead" of that department, outlining the situation and, "As I'm sure you are aware, the 1911 and it's clone type pistols, which your company sells, were designed by John Moses Browning to be carried with the safety engaged. The advice being given by your salesman places your company in a bad liability situation that I would hate to see happen if someone were to follow your salesman's advice."

    You have now made Stupid somebody else's problem and the document can become legal evidence of prior knowledge if they disregard your letter. In short, you have made them aware of a problem. If they choose to do nothing about it, that's their problem.

    There is a reason I used the word YOUR a lot. I'm in hopes that it will "hit home" so to speak, and wake them up to a problem they have.

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    Concur with above comments.

    I must admit that with the exception of two local shops - in general, gun shops and public shooting ranges make me edgy. I see stoopid stuff like this coming from the 'experts' all the time. Everything from having the muzzle of the gun pointed at my face while he demonstrates his knowledge of the weapon, to being handed an AK when I asked to see the Sig 556 next to it (and no he didn't mis-understand me - he argued that it was AR!). 'Some very scary folks behind those counter tops!
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    I don't own a 1911 and I don't know much about them...

    Still, I've read online numerous times that 1911 owners keep them "cocked and locked." If that guy hasn't seen that, you've got to wonder why.

    I am baffled by what some gun store clerks do not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb View Post
    Insurance would NOT pay? Stupidity is a PREEXISITING condition!



    Sounds like this "old guy" is the ultimate authority on 1911's. I would just bring in a 1911 instruction manual with a sticky note on it "Attention Mr. X" and just lay it on the counter and walk away. He'll get the hint.
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    Your post is very interesting, because while I was in the Fort Myers area I walked into the Bass Pro there and actually looked at a Taurus 1911, and wouldn't you know, the thumb safety completely fell out while I was looking at it.

    I advised the salesman to not display that one if he intended to sell any of them.

    Funny, maybe the Taurus has an issue with the safety.

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