I too have looked at these, what is the length from the store on the bbl? I have a NEF Pardner pump. I have been thinking about adding another one to the house, and want to go the inexpensive route again. I will eventually buy an 870 or 590a1 or Nova. I don't want to hyjack this thread so I am starting another one if anyone wants to chime in. Look for "inexpensive shotguns"