Did I earn good karma points over this gun deal?

Did I earn good karma points over this gun deal?

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    Did I earn good karma points over this gun deal?

    Well to make a long story short, a guy my wife works with is getting rid his guns since they just sit in his closet. He sends me a picture of what he says is a SKS. Turns out it's a MAK 90 AK47 NIB with a 30 rd mag and about 130 rds of ammo. I tell him I want it and meet him after work. I kept asking him what he wanted for it and he kept saying " I have no idea what they are going for, I paid $300.00 back in the 90's so I can't charge more then that etc". Now I know what the gun was worth and I kind of played dumb about not knowing the current price etc. So when we meet and I go to pay him he says give me $150.00 since that's half of what I paid when I bought it. Now this guy is a good friend of the wife, heck of a nice person etc,etc. I really wanted to just give him the 150 and drive off with the best gun deal I ever got but my conscience got the best of me and I said here's 200.00. Now I know it's only fifty bucks more then what he wanted so was I wrong for not telling and offering him the true value of the gun or was it his loss for not finding out what would have been a fair price to charge? Just wondering if anyone else ran into this situation and how did you feel afterwards.


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    Were you wearing a mask when you made the deal?

    Yes it is his responsibility to know the value of what he is selling but I would have given him at least what he had into the gun being he is a friend of your wife.
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    It is his responsibility to know what he has and what its worth. However, I do think you took advantage of a friend; that's not good either.
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    He has more money than he intended on. He didn't have to pay for any ads. He didn't have to deal with potential BGs because they are answering his ad. He is happy. You are happy. Sounds like a win win to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    It is his responsibility to know what he has and what its worth. However, I do think you took advantage of a friend; that's not good either.
    I'm with Sixto on this one... I'd at least given him the $300 he had in it since he was a friend....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    It is his responsibility to know what he has and what its worth. However, I do think you took advantage of a friend; that's not good either.
    +1

    Its one thing if it was a stranger but kinda bad to take advantage of someone who you know and see often. Someone will probably tell him at some point he got ripped and then you or your wife will have to see the guy again.lol I would at least have told him what its worth(low end) and went from there, hell he might have still took the $150.

    And the fact that you posted this and you obviously feel bad should tell you something. You knew deep down you were taking advantage.
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    Yeah, with Sixto on that too.

    The technique I use at my store when people are trying to sell me something. I ask them what they want for it and if they say something I think is reasonable or downright way too low for its value I will buy it no problem. However, if they ask me how much I think its worth or if I know its value, I am honest with them and tell them and then advise them to sell it on their own because I have to turn around and make a profit, usually after some work needs to be done. If they still want to sell to me for far below its worth, I have no guilt because they are being lazy and don't want to put the effort into selling it on their own. I have built up an excellent reputation from this as my primary competitor flat out rips people off in any way possible.

    Yeah dude, the guilt is getting to you if you feel the need to find absolution here. To me, when someone says, "I have no idea what they are going for" its the same as asking me if I know so I tell them. I sleep good at day.
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    +1 for Sixto
    Even the full $300 would have been an excellent deal.
    Unless it will cause strife with Mrs. Excel, I'd say slip him the extra hundred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excel22 View Post
    Well to make a long story short, a guy my wife works with is getting rid his guns since they just sit in his closet. He sends me a picture of what he says is a SKS. Turns out it's a MAK 90 AK47 NIB with a 30 rd mag and about 130 rds of ammo. I tell him I want it and meet him after work. I kept asking him what he wanted for it and he kept saying " I have no idea what they are going for, I paid $300.00 back in the 90's so I can't charge more then that etc". Now I know what the gun was worth and I kind of played dumb about not knowing the current price etc. So when we meet and I go to pay him he says give me $150.00 since that's half of what I paid when I bought it. Now this guy is a good friend of the wife, heck of a nice person etc,etc. I really wanted to just give him the 150 and drive off with the best gun deal I ever got but my conscience got the best of me and I said here's 200.00. Now I know it's only fifty bucks more then what he wanted so was I wrong for not telling and offering him the true value of the gun or was it his loss for not finding out what would have been a fair price to charge? Just wondering if anyone else ran into this situation and how did you feel afterwards.
    The letters/numbers MAK-90 stand for Modified AK-1990.The MAK-90 is a Chinese factory built AK model. They were exported to the USA from China from 1990 through 1994 by two Chinese export companies: Norinco and PolyTech.

    I would probably value what you bought for $200.00 at a fair price only if it is in very good to excellent condition. New, they were $400.00 or less retail.
    I would personally only keep this in a collection and not try to shoot it much if at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGP250 View Post
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    I would personally only keep this in a collection and not try to shoot it much if at all.
    would it be because of safety reasons or because its rare? I don't know much about collecting AKs
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    You didn't rip him off but you could resale it and rip someone else off for $600, then you would be required to feel like a butthole. Now you're just a friend that bought a gun for what the seller wanted knowing it may be worth more, but not looking to profit from it. He's happy, you can be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razor02097 View Post
    would it be because of safety reasons or because its rare? I don't know much about collecting AKs
    Mainly because it is a Chinese knock-off of the original Kalashnikov AK-47. Steel could be inferior, parts may not be made to exacting precision, etc.

    Simply put, It could blow-up in your face.
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    The MAK-90's are generally recognized as pretty decent AK's made by Norinco. The MAK's were imported "post-ban", and the modifications (hence "Modified AK") were such that the AK could be imported notwithstanding the ban. Many of the MAK's were actually in the production/import pipeline and thus the modifications appear ad hoc, while those produced later in the ban are essentially production AK's.

    Norinco AK's are ChiCom, and while less prized than a true Soviet AK, or a Galil, or a milled Norinco, still rank high compared to many other varieties.

    Here's one resource: Chinese made AK47 Varieties

    Here's another: Untitled document


    And: The AK Page of Drzero.org

    Don't change a darn thing on the MAK without thoroughly understanding the 922 rules either! You would not like jail!

    Here's a tip that you should know:

    Just remember to STAY AWAY from MAK-90 rifles imported by the importer "Le Banu" of upstate New York, (but NOT ALL MAK-90 Rifles, as some will incorrectly infer), that are marked with 3 position fire-control selector markings (sometimes in Chinese characters, other times with the letters "L and D" for the 3 positions on the right side of the receiver), as the ATF classifies these as "ILLEGAL MACHINE GUN RECEIVERS" with, or without the receiver being drilled for a 3rd axis pin!
    Also of interest, the Military Defense Council of Finland, selected Norinco of China to supply Chinese type 56 AK-47 rifles, which are virtually identical (except for select-fire components) to the Norinco MAK-90, & without the MAK-90's thumbhole stock). Also note, the GALIL AK's, F.E.G.'s from Hungary, Arsenal of Bulgaria, and Russian AK's were all tested against the Chinese Norinco, and the Norinco came out on top as the most rugged, and best value DUE TO THE USE OF THICKER 1.5MM STAMPED CHINESE RECEIVERS, DOUBLE-HOOK TRIGGERS FOR SMOOTHER TRIGGER-PULL, and thicker Chinese barrels, and despite the fact that it would have been easier for Finland to buy AK-47 variants from other Eastern European, or Russian sources, they bought Norinco's.

    Anyway, you have to sleep at night, so don't ask us to rationalize or criticize your deal. :) I'm just telling you some facts........

    And, I shoot the heck outta mine. Totally. What good is it if you don't? It's not like a milled Soviet NIB or NIB Galil, so don't fret about appreciation, LOL. Here's mine, absent that POS thumb-hole stock, etc. This is why I know a lot about 922 too - don't change a thing without understanding 922. Do not underestimate the ATF either.





    Mainly because it is a Chinese knock-off of the original Kalashnikov AK-47. Steel could be inferior, parts may not be made to exacting precision, etc.

    Simply put, It could blow-up in your face.
    Very doubtful, very. An AK produced and made in Somalia, maybe; A'Stan, probably not, a Norinco, no, only if a total and complete aberration. Few if any AK's are made to exacting tolerances. That's what made them so damn steady in the field, and so easy to produce. That's why the AK outnumbers any other weapon in production in the world.

    Check your PM's too, Excel22.

    Gunbroker has MAK-90's from about $400 to about $800, BTW.
    Last edited by Rock and Glock; December 1st, 2009 at 11:23 PM.

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