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And I assume the lawyers are OK with "Infidel" printed on everything from dust covers to hats and Tshirts, knives, and assorted widgets?
It is 100% irrelevant who brought the complaint. And why do you keep saying "going out of the way" to be offended? I don't even know what that means. Do you think some militant atheist goes around examining government-purchased products on the off chance he finds something like this?For years this has been a nonissue, until someone went out of their way to be offended by it. Someone, incidentally, if the one former Air Force lawyer is representative of them all, who has probably never carried a weapon in uniform and has nothing better to do than go around and find things to be offended by.
I'm an atheist and I'd be furious if government equipment said, "There is no God." It's disappointing to see disregard for the first amendment in a forum that so values the second.As to the latter, I'd be fine with "There is no God" engraved on components of weapons I use or own.
One man's "politically correct horse manure" is another man's "blatant violation of church/state separation". And this isn't an isolated issue. Proselytizing in the military is a real issue and a quote from one particular religion's holy book (what a coincidence, the same religion that is pushed on soldiers) on a soldier's equipment is one more thing to add to the pile.It would seem the height of politically correct horse manure to stop buying the best product available because some POG got offended at the serial number system on them.
I posted comments on this topic in the other thread which was killed.
Again, briefly, when a contract is issued by the US Government it will always contain boilerplate language that binds the contractor to perform their duties in compliance with law, and with agency regulations, and to purchaser's specifications.
If Tricon accepted a military contract it should have adhered to whatever requirement the military purchasing authority placed-- including any prohibition against such inscriptions.
My dad used to manufacture clothing which was sold by places like Penny's and Learners. You better believe that if the buyer wanted pink buttons that is the way the merchandise would be manufactured. If the buyer didn't like the look of the label, you can bet the label got changed.
Tricon had a choice. Not complying with their contract terms (if that is what happened) wasn't one of them.
Hopyard, maybe you didn't get a chance to read my response in the other thread... but for what it's worth, the units delivered to the gov't don't appear to have the markings.
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Guys, give it a rest, please.
Honestly, shouldn't the reporters at ABC news be bird dogging the folks in washington DC for dirty dealings? You can't tell me there ain't a mountain of material with all the money flying around in DC. So, instead, a couple of private part time reporters got to put the smack down on ACORN.
I say, sc**w ABC and buy this optic for the fact it DOES have biblical references.
I spoke with my old man about this. He is a 22 year VFW who contracts for the US Army and works on weapons sent back from overseas so they can be rearmored and sent back. A contract is a contract is a contract. If you break the terms of that contract it should be null and void. One of the stipulations of providing products for the military is that they don't have this sort of stuff. I guess we will end up seeing how much political pull Trijicon has.
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Also:Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military.
And they show the photo.A photo on a Department of Defense Web site shows Iraqi soldiers being trained by U.S. troops with a rifle equipped with the bible-coded sights.
If the sights don't have the markings, then it would appear that ABC didn't merely misinterpret the facts, or mistakenly assume that the civilian markings are identical to the military versions, but fabricated photos and unambiguous statements from Trijicon and currently serving soldiers. Not likely.Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights.
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Torgo, I was responding to Chooie's post and his statement,
"the units delivered to the gov't don't appear to have the markings."
I have no idea where the truth is; with chooie or with ABC. As far as I'm concerned the markings don't belong on sights sold to the government, and if that has happened I consider that either flat wrong or possibly just an innocent mistake. I guess the military will have to make a determination of the facts and deal with a broken contract if the contract was in fact disregarded.
Or, ABC will need to retract or correct their story.
I am merely pointing out what another anonymous member of an Internet forum posted. that itself means take it with a grain of salt, but I took it to mean that if he is telling the truth and 40/40 of the optics he checked bear no markings, and he is also telling the truth about being a gov't armorer, then at least in some fashion trijicon refrained from casting or machining biblical verses onto those sights. I have no reason to believe he would lie over such a subject, but again, for what it's worth, demand may have been so high that the .mil decided to tell trijicon to go ahead and send retail boxed optics to get them onto the guns fighting over in the sandbox more quickly.
I think it is cool. If a company wants to put verses from the Koran and compete, lets see how it sells.