Trijicon offers to stop putting biblical references on military scopes

Trijicon offers to stop putting biblical references on military scopes

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    Trijicon offers to stop putting biblical references on military scopes

    Company offers to stop putting biblical references on military scopes - CNN.com

    (CNN) -- A manufacturer that has been inscribing Bible references on rifle sights used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan announced Thursday that it will stop putting scripture references on products the U.S. military uses.

    Gen. David Petraeus, commander of United States Central Command, said Wednesday -- apparently before learning of the company's announcement -- that the references were a "big concern" to the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps, which have contracts for the scopes.

    "I hope you can sense ... this is of serious concern to me and the other commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan because it can indeed create a perception that is absolutely contrary to what it is that we have sought to do," he said.

    He said U.S. troops are much more sensitive "about this kind of thing," apparently, than is the contractor involved.

    On its Web site Wednesday, the Muslim Public Affairs Council said the references "feed into the violent extremists' narrative that the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a 'crusade against Islam.' "

    Trijicon Inc., the manufacturer, said in a written statement that it has "offered to voluntarily stop putting references to scripture on all products manufactured for the U.S. military -- and will provide, free of charge, 100 modification kits to the Pentagon to enable the removal of the references that are already on products that are currently deployed."

    There was no immediate reaction from the Pentagon in response to the announcement, but a response was being prepared, Maj. Shawn Turner in the Department of Defense's public affairs office told CNN.

    The Marine Corps said it was "concerned" when it learned about the biblical references.

    "We are making every effort to remove these markings from all of our scopes and will ensure that all future procurement of these scopes will not have these types of markings," it said in a written statement.

    "We will remove the markings from the scopes currently delivered. Trijicon will also remove the markings from all scopes that have not been delivered."

    Earlier, after it emerged that the Michigan-based manufacturer was putting codes for scriptures on the scopes, Trijicon issued a statement saying that it has put scripture references on its products for more than two decades.

    "As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation," it said Wednesday.

    ABC first reported the story on Monday, saying that some of the citations on the sights included "2COR4:6," an apparent reference to 2 Corinthians 4:6 of the New testament, which reads, "For God, who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,' made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ."

    Another, according to ABC, included JN8:12, apparently referring to John 8:12. That reads, "When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, 'I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.' "

    Trijicon has a $660 million contract for the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Army, according to Turner. He said slightly more than 300,000 scopes have been delivered so far, with most going to the Marines.

    After the initial news report, the Muslim Public Affairs Council called on Defense Secretary Robert Gates to withdraw from combat use weapons that have sights with the biblical references.

    "Allowing religious references to be placed on U.S. weaponry, which are bought and paid for by U.S. taxpayers, is unacceptable," MPAC Executive Director Salam Al-Marayati wrote in a letter to Gates, according to the council's Web site.

    "Such inscriptions not only run afoul of the Constitution and U.S. military rules, but they also feed into the violent extremists' narrative that the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a 'crusade against Islam.' "
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    I guess that $660 million dollar means that much to them to get rid of something they've been doing since the founder passed. Funny what money will do to people. I commend Trijicon for admitting their mistake and offering to make it better. Hopefully, it doesn't cost them that much.

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    My question is did anyone know this before reading about it? Ive use the sights, sold them for years and had no clue they were "bible optics". Am I behind or was this a non-problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDSUS View Post
    My question is did anyone know this before reading about it? Ive use the sights, sold them for years and had no clue they were "bible optics". Am I behind or was this a non-problem?
    I believe it was a well-hidden secret.
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    What a shame....the replacement kit should be used only if the soldier carrying the weapon has an issue with scripture on their sight. I doubt Trijicons intent was to inflame the enemy with the serial/version code. It's too bad considering that those who we are in conflict with don't have a problem invoking the name of their God before attempting to kill us. Figures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonInNY View Post
    "Such inscriptions not only run afoul of the Constitution and U.S. military rules, but they also feed into the violent extremists' narrative that the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a 'crusade against Islam.' "
    What a big pile of BS If it wasn't for our political correct "sensitivities" we would have won both wars long ago!
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    Honestly, I think the whole thing is bleeping silly.
    Sure the series of letters and numbers could be referencing 2 Corinthians 4:6 and John 8:12. Or they could simply be a part number.
    About as silly as wiring a turntable backward to hear hidden messages in music.

    Time to move on, nothing to see here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugergirl View Post
    About as silly as wiring a turntable backward to hear hidden messages in music.
    Gee, I used to do that all the time with Abbey Road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuban11182 View Post
    I guess that $660 million dollar means that much to them to get rid of something they've been doing since the founder passed. Funny what money will do to people. I commend Trijicon for admitting their mistake and offering to make it better. Hopefully, it doesn't cost them that much.
    What particular mistake would that be in your opinion? Would it be selling a wonderful product to the military that had no problems whatsover until some freaking idiot with way to much time on their hands, and apparently feeling like his rights are more important than any one elses or what
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    much ado about nothing.
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    Personally, I won't ever buy from them. I'm sorry, but I don't like "spine-less". I'm sick and tired of this PC crap that is forced down our throats. I'll spend my money with a company I respect. Did anyone ask the soldiers and Marines using the sights if they liked having the scriptures on the sights? No, I didn't think so...we can't risk upsetting the Muslims...we must protect their sensibilities. I'm wondering if they would demand a change if something was upsetting Christians...we all know the answer to that one...NO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrm View Post
    What particular mistake would that be in your opinion? Would it be selling a wonderful product to the military that had no problems whatsover until some freaking idiot with way to much time on their hands, and apparently feeling like his rights are more important than any one elses or what
    This begs the question on what "freaking idiot with too much time on his hands and feeling like his rights are more important than any one else's" you're referencing.

    Are you talking about the US soldiers who object to carrying weapons that may violate their own religious beliefs (ie: Muslim, Jewish, Agnostic, etc) or about the person at the factory who thought it'd be cool to secretly inscribe mil weapons' sights with biblical quotations?

    And, contrary to what some feel, this is much ado about something that shouldn't have happened in the first place regardless of your own personal religious beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrm View Post
    What particular mistake would that be in your opinion? Would it be selling a wonderful product to the military that had no problems whatsover until some freaking idiot with way to much time on their hands, and apparently feeling like his rights are more important than any one elses or what
    Well lets see, I'm an athiest, I serve in the military, and I spent all of 2008 deployed for OIF and OEF. I've never used a Trijicon, but I have no doubt that they are great products because I saw an abundance of them over there.

    My problem isn't that it's against my choice of non-religion. My problem is that they went against what their, and all, contracts say. That's it.

    I find it funny that they were very proud to say that they were religious enough that they put them on all their products for ever, but once their contract (money) was in danger they quickly gave in. What people will do for the all mighty dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuban11182 View Post
    Well lets see, I'm an athiest, I serve in the military, and I spent all of 2008 deployed for OIF and OEF. I've never used a Trijicon, but I have no doubt that they are great products because I saw an abundance of them over there.

    My problem isn't that it's against my choice of non-religion. My problem is that they went against what their, and all, contracts say. That's it.

    I find it funny that they were very proud to say that they were religious enough that they put them on all their products for ever, but once their contract (money) was in danger they quickly gave in. What people will do for the all mighty dollar.
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    much ado about nothing in my opnion.

    the verses fit the marketing for the product.
    "Let light shine out of darkness"
    "I am the light of the world"

    seams to fit what there scopes do, does it not?
    Keep up your tradition. do not remove them.
    there are other scopes on the market if it is a big issue.
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