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    Alcohol Restrictions, Curfew Lifted In King - Winston-Salem News Story - WXII The Triad




    Alcohol Restrictions, Curfew Lifted In King
    Police Chief: King Remains Under State Of Emergency Until Monday
    POSTED: 5:18 pm EST February 6, 2010
    UPDATED: 4:07 pm EST February 7, 2010
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    KING, N.C. -- Authorities lifted a curfew and alcohol restrictions in King on Sunday, but said a state of emergency declaration remained in effect until Monday.

    Authorities said the state of emergency declaration would continue until Monday 9 a.m., barring any unforeseen circumstances or severe changes.

    Effective Sunday afternoon, alcohol restrictions and a curfew were lifted. All other remaining restrictions would continue until Monday, said Paula May, King police chief.

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    Other restrictions include a ban on the sale or purchase of any type of firearm, ammunition, explosive or any possession of such items off a person's own premises.

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    Also on Sunday, the emergency shelter established by the American red Cross at West Stokes High School was closed.

    "We appreciate the support and cooperation of everyone with our efforts to keep the citizens of King safe," May said.

    The state of emergency was declared Friday due to severe weather.
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    1. How bad could the weather have been?
    2. I would ignore this 'state of emergency' as it violates human rights and constitutional rights

    And if you don't think as soon as the SHTF than there won't be a huge power grab by every guy with a badge, and every layer of government, you're nuts.

    Maybe that is something that needs to be addessed here, if things get all screwed up and they come knocking on your door to confiscate your food and supplies, are you willing to kill anybody who comes knocking?

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    Its another one of those BS laws that was put forth to seemingly prevent a mob of un-prepaired people trying to buy guns and ammo if the SHTF... I think its more BS cause if a mob can't buy it they would loot it.

    Here in Ohio we have the "Snow Emergency" system. Level 1 means use caution while driving, Level 2 means don't go out if you don't have to, Level 3 means stay home or face the ticket wrath of the local PD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
    2. I would ignore this 'state of emergency' as it violates human rights and constitutional rights
    Think again . . . this may be perfectly legal within the state's statutes. For Florida, something like this is perfectly legal if the governor chooses to declare it as such.

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    Town of 6,000 people according to the census. Nothing remarkable in the census data that would lead me to believe they are mean drunks or irresponsible with weapons. Therefore, the local mayor needs to be replaced. Simple.

    From my point of view, I would prefer the populace at home sleeping one off rather than climbing the walls with nothing to do. I have been in this exact situation and the thought of limiting alcohol sales and weapons/ammo sales never entered my mind. I had a dusk to dawn curfew. The police carded any found on the streets at night and sent them home. If they were from out of town they ran their information and escorted them to the city limits. Took care of the requisite public safety during the time when power lines and streets were down from the ice. These decisions are made by local leaders. Pay attention to local politics. Daily quality of life depends entirely upon the quality of your local government. Police, fire, ambulance, K-12 education, water, sewer, gas, electric, solid waste, roads/streets, nuisance abatement and value obtained for tax dollar spent depend on good local government.

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    Hey Y'all: When the Nov 2010 elections roll around and Rahm Emanuel's crisis that he would not let go to waste becomes evident as dems lose big time--I personally will not be surprised to find our dear leaders talking "emergency crisis" backed up by the wussy generals ala Ft. Hood who only see their jobs and pensions and not what is really happening around them--the elections are voided due to the "crisis" and then my friends what happens and what do we do? Unlike my relatives in Germany who were sheep, I will not become one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cz75luver View Post
    Think again . . . this may be perfectly legal within the state's statutes. For Florida, something like this is perfectly legal if the governor chooses to declare it as such.
    I didn't say it wasn't legal in state law. Just a violation of human rights and possibly consitutional rights.

    I can also hear arguements that in an actual state of emergency all local law ( and law enforcement) should be ignored if needed to maintain personal safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hey Y'all: When the Nov 2010 elections roll around and Rahm Emanuel's crisis that he would not let go to waste becomes evident as dems a lose big time--I personally will not be surprised to find our dear leaders talking "emergency crisis" backed up by the wussy generals ala Ft. Hood who only see their jobs and pensions and not what is really happening around them--the elections are voided due to the "crisis" and then my friends what happens and what do we do? Unlike my relatives in Germany who were sheep, I will not become one.
    Given Obamas statements last night to Katie Couric about his disatisfaction with the democratic process (involing healthcare specifically) it would not be terribly surprising to see him make a power grab of this tyoe if the election looks to be going badly.
    Last edited by JD; February 8th, 2010 at 05:43 PM. Reason: Edited quoted post.

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    There was a thread about just this exact sort of happening occurring not 30 days ago.
    I'll try to find it...

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    Found it; http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ency-riot.html

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    Ok Janq I read some of that thread

    "Personally I have already made my mind up that if such an incident were to occur in my area as with major infrastructure damage and security issue, I am packing my family up that day/moment and we are leaving to higher and safer distant ground. Period.
    And I'm taking my arms as well as whatever ammo I can afford space & time to pack with me."

    Say you bug out, and get stopped and an officer of some jurisdiciton who then attempts to search you and your vehicle, do you allow it, or do you stop it -you know what I mean by stop it -?

    This is one area of self defense that I clearly do no have a good handle on--

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    OR you choose to stay home for one reason or another and an officer of some sort comes door to door attempting to confiscate weapons--do you allow it, or put a stop to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
    OR you choose to stay home for one reason or another and an officer of some sort comes door to door attempting to confiscate weapons--do you allow it, or put a stop to it?
    That's a choice that everyone must make for themselves...probably not the best topic on an open forum ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
    Say you bug out, and get stopped and an officer of some jurisdiciton who then attempts to search you and your vehicle, do you allow it, or do you stop it -you know what I mean by stop it -?

    This is one area of self defense that I clearly do no have a good handle on--
    Maddy,

    You by law _do not_ have to _allow_ a search of your vehicle or belongings as within your vehicle.
    Theoretical problem solved by a clear statement of; "NO. I DO NOT consent to a search of my vehicle, my person, nor my packages as stored inside or among my vehicle."

    End of story.
    Get a warrant, formally arrest me (which only then would allow lawful search of my vehicle and it' contents as not kept in plain sight) or with all due respect get out my face...Please, sir/madam.

    Never mind why _exactly_ per your hypothetical would I be stopped anyway, muchless the police actively break the law to request never mind require (?) search of my person and/or vehicle?

    More specific information and background is required of your hypothetical.

    As to "stop it", no I don't know what you mean or mean to mean as by that statement.
    That too would require clarity by way of more specific information.

    Regardless I am not going to stay myself & family home in a high potential danger zone for concern/fear that outlying law enforcement might be abusive of powers granted, by state laws.
    My priority is my survival and that of my family. By any means necessary.
    What ever comes as a result to support priority one is what comes, and came.

    Some reading for you as related to LEO vehicular stops, powers of search & seizure, and citizen rights...

    * The motor vehicle exception | FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin,The | Find Articles at BNET

    * Know when Police Can Search Your Vehicle - and when They Can't - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

    * The Search- ABA Family Legal Guide

    * Motor vehicle exception - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    * Supreme Court scales back police right to search cars - Los Angeles Times

    People get tripped up on this because they don't know any better, and generally most people are fearful of authority figures as by learned experiences and active training by society.
    So when asked what is clearly a question having two options as an answer (Yes? or No!) very many people choose to fold, and say 'yes'. Even if/when there is no law nor specific situational requiring such a response.

    Just because someone asks you for something does not mean you have to respond in a manner that they might prefer, expect or even demand.
    Being asked by a LEO to waive your rights is nothing more than a request of 'Yes, Officer I waive my rights' or 'No, Officer I do not wish to waive my rights'.

    Funny thing is if the same question of search were posed as I restate them in basic meaning above, more people then would realize what they are being asked and about to agree to do.
    Similar to how _sometimes_ (but not nearly always) folk are asked if they wish to waive their right to having an attorney present during 'interview' (active questioning!).

    If/when I BUG out I'm taking with me my BRAIN and all that it knows and has accumulated, too. But this is an item you can't develop as a situation is ongoing. It requires prior planning and development so as to be useful under OMG! stress & struggle conditions. Same as caching ammo, water, food and any necessary to life & living function meds and other physical gear that one might deem of value...Before you actually need them, and/or the cost to acquire them quadruples per market demand and scarcity.
    Good luck at trying to Google up your rights and state laws as while being actively spoken to by LEOs during a stop in the immediate. Too little and too late.

    People under said conditions of emergency often time find them self jammed up for often referred to as 'no brainer' reasons.
    As well people who survive a jam and/or bounce back quick often attribute their survival to having used their brain and all the real value it provides.
    In courses I teach toward BHE and basic survival I teach the 'S.T.O.P.' method; "Sit. Think. Observe. Plan."
    This method to my own experience works and can be applied to most _everything_ in life as a situation might occur, and that includes a LEO stop.

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    Firearms Carry in Vehicles Banned

    I just discovered a news story that had the local government suddenly ban the vehicle carry of firearms. This is due to the local state of emergency due to the extreme snow received in this area.

    Would you follow this new ban of firearms in vehicles during this temporary state of emergency?

    Residents Fumed Over Weekend Alcohol, Firearm Ban - Winston-Salem News Story - WXII The Triad
    Last edited by Pikachu711; February 8th, 2010 at 03:25 PM. Reason: Dupe
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    And what does snow have to do with Firearms I ask? Sounds to me like this police chief needs to be unelected....
    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry

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